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2012 Presidential Election - The Day after the Aftermath...

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Police in every school just means they go to the theater. Police in every theater just means they go the mall. Police in the mall just means they go to church.

Could it be the goal is to sell more guns and introduce them to children at younger ages. Is that how we address the 'gun culture'?

The 'fiscal conservatives' looking for small govt and debt responsibility seem to be awfully silent on this proposal to greatly expand the number of federal employees.

As usual, you're wrong. Local cops aren't federal employees. And I think the notion of having cops in every school is a non-starter. Too expensive. Too ineffectual. But carry on with your blathering.
 
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Not responding to Pio as he never comes up with these ideas on his own.

Are your city cops federal employees?

It doesn't matter. Balloon state governments...have state shortfalls...transfer funds from the federal to state. In terms of size, government in the US is government...whether its executed at the fed or state is window dressing.

I don't get this 'big government and stifling private sector creativity through regulation' is great if it comes from state governments. Not speaking to you specifically, but this thinking is exhibit 1 why self proclaimed 'fiscal conservatives' are typically a sham.
 
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Did the NRA say whether they would be federal employees or local cops? I wouldn't imagine they'd be federal, as the NRA considers the feds to be "jack-booted thugs" who are "scarier than Nazis." But they'd still have to be paid for by tax dollars, unless they were all volunteers.

priceless = master of assumption to prove his point

:p
 
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It doesn't matter. ...

incorrect. fed gov't is huge and far removed from those they are there to serve. they have no reason to consider anyone looking at them when they spend money (witness alaska getting 15mm in sandy aid money for example). state is more granular, closer to home, more potential to be under the microscope for their spending and accountable.

mookie has many times called for higher state taxes along with much lower fed tax. fed dept of ed is a waste. all education matters should be local. if some guy who's office is down the street had to justify wasting tax dollars vs a guy in another state you have no time to find and couldn't without garmin, you'd spend mookie's money smarter.
 
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"In the first place, God created idiots. This was for practice. He then made school boards." - Mark Twain.


i had a guy in my neighborhood running for school board who was going house to house looking to talk to people and ask for votes. i'm at my table one evening and the door opens... it's him. i turn and look and he goes 'hi'. i ask what he's doing and he tells what i typed above. i ask, "and you just walk into people's homes"? he says he thought it was a two family house. i'm still awaiting for a 'whoa, sorry' or something :D
 
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priceless = master of assumption to prove his point

:p
Are you saying the NRA didn't say these things, prompting President Bush to resign his lifetime membership? Or that it doesn't matter?
 
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Are you saying the NRA didn't say these things, prompting President Bush to resign his lifetime membership? Or that it doesn't matter?

priceless = master of ignoring what you said and bringing up something else that may or may not make his point

:p
 
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incorrect.

But this is not about education. If those paid government security guard paychecks come from St Paul vs. Washington...I'm sure they can accomodate.

In the end, the overall size of government does matter...and tens of thousands of security guards is a massive waste of taxpayer money. Perhaps we disagree.
 
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But this is not about education. If those paid government security guard paychecks come from St Paul vs. Washington...I'm sure they can accomodate.

In the end, the overall size of government does matter...and tens of thousands of security guards is a massive waste of taxpayer money. Perhaps we disagree.

it's about money.

and yes, thousands of security guards to watch over schools is a massive waste. if we need to pay for it we should tax guns and ammo 200% and lock box that money to fund the nra's wish list.

however, we are already taxed enough to fund this if we eliminated the craptacular pork that spends our tax dollars.
 
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Not responding to Pio as he never comes up with these ideas on his own.



It doesn't matter. Balloon state governments...have state shortfalls...transfer funds from the federal to state. In terms of size, government in the US is government...whether its executed at the fed or state is window dressing.

I don't get this 'big government and stifling private sector creativity through regulation' is great if it comes from state governments. Not speaking to you specifically, but this thinking is exhibit 1 why self proclaimed 'fiscal conservatives' are typically a sham.

A good example of why reading your posts and snickering over a "bowl of Christmas punch" is such a cherished holiday tradition.
 
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If it's federal money, it has to pass between 2 - 3 sets of government before it gets spent @ the school (Fed / State / Local) with each layer taking off a bit for administration expenses.
State money it's 2 levels
Local it's 1, maybe. But the local voters decide whether or not to put an armed presence (Wounded Warrior????) in the local schools. DC does not decide, the state capitol does not decide, I / we decide. And I get the most bang (bad choice of word?) for my buck.
 
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Are you saying the NRA didn't say these things, prompting President Bush to resign his lifetime membership? Or that it doesn't matter?

As a non-gun guy I had never paid much attention to the NRA. But their reference to "jack booted government thugs," in the wake of the murders of four ATF agents at Waco tore it for me, just as it did for George H. W. Bush. Although the raid on the Branch Davidian "compound" may have been bungled and the warrant they were attempting to serve flawed, the fact remains that four law enforcement officers were gunned down attempting to do their jobs. As we see in "Law & Order" reruns, if a warrant is flawed the matter is thrashed out in front of a judge. If Lennie Briscoe shows up with a flawed warrant, you are not free to blow him away.

Try to imagine the response of the NRA if, instead of being a heavily armed cult headquarters, the Branch Davidian "compound" had been, say, a giant crack house. Would Wayne LaPierre have still been supportive of killing four law enfordement officers? I mean, the Branch Davidians hit the NRA's version of the daily double, they were gun nuts and religious nuts.

I firmly believe that in that case, and many others, the NRA was a huge embarrassment to the millions of "law abiding" Americans who belong. "Law abiding" Americans, as a general rule, don't rationalize and applaud the killing of law enforcement officers.
 
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Let us not forget.

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Again, the fact that things can be turned into deadly weapons neither negates the point that a gun's purpose is to be a deadly weapon nor that we already regulate "arms," (trying buying a nuclear weapon or an M1A1 tank), it's just a matter of degree.

But by all means, carry on with your analogies in the vein of Scalia comparing sodomy to murder.

Your analogies are worse than mine.
 
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it's about money.

and yes, thousands of security guards to watch over schools is a massive waste. if we need to pay for it we should tax guns and ammo 200% and lock box that money to fund the nra's wish list.

however, we are already taxed enough to fund this if we eliminated the craptacular pork that spends our tax dollars.

True.
 
As a non-gun guy I had never paid much attention to the NRA. But their reference to "jack booted government thugs," in the wake of the murders of four ATF agents at Waco tore it for me, just as it did for George H. W. Bush. Although the raid on the Branch Davidian "compound" may have been bungled and the warrant they were attempting to serve flawed, the fact remains that four law enforcement officers were gunned down attempting to do their jobs. As we see in "Law & Order" reruns, if a warrant is flawed the matter is thrashed out in front of a judge. If Lennie Briscoe shows up with a flawed warrant, you are not free to blow him away.

Try to imagine the response of the NRA if, instead of being a heavily armed cult headquarters, the Branch Davidian "compound" had been, say, a giant crack house. Would Wayne LaPierre have still been supportive of killing four law enfordement officers? I mean, the Branch Davidians hit the NRA's version of the daily double, they were gun nuts and religious nuts.

I firmly believe that in that case, and many others, the NRA was a huge embarrassment to the millions of "law abiding" Americans who belong. "Law abiding" Americans, as a general rule, don't rationalize and applaud the killing of law enforcement officers.

Couldnt agree more. You and I once had an epic back and forth (although you have so many you may not recall;-) )about guns in which you took the position that since increased gun laws wouldn't prevent all of these types of events it wasn't worth pursuing.

I reiterate my belief that with all of the social engineering failures the country has spent billions of dollars and dozens of years on, trying to control the sale and possession of guns (especially assault rifles and automatic weapons) is something worth trying.

While I agree with mookie that the government could reduce waste by .01% and fund a comprehensive gun policy, the government never reduces spending...still, I'd authorize this "over the budget" effort. Not as a knee-jerk reaction, not with the goal of preventing another SHES, but in an effort to reduce access to guns and gun violence.

Seems worth a try to me.
 
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