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2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

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Rover said:
Polls have another function aside from the media's desire for a close race (don't get me wrong, if Romney was leading most of the way and Obama suddenly had a spike in support we'd be seeing the same thing) which is to help push a narrative. I don't think there's necessarily a coordination here, but in the days after the debate and over the past week I've seen GOP related pollsters out in droves showing Romney movement basically everywhere. Far from complaining about this, I think this is smart politics. As the media is lazy and stupid, they're not going to care who took the poll but will dutifully report it. Romney has had his best week so far, although his #'s in the tracking polls are heavy on people responding in the days after the debate so time and the next debate (not the VP one) will tell.
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Romney basically said "you will get a pony" during the debate. The media is either too lazy or too frightened of being called "biased" to analyze whether anyone will actually get a pony. So instead they report on the horse race, which, since it is tightening, is great news for them.

Romney just seems to be the first candidate to realize you can say "you will get a pony" in the age of the internet, when everything is instantly checkable, and still get away with it because people are either too indoctrinated to see or too turned off to care. If he wins, future elections will simply be about promising prettier ponies, with the media reporting on the size of the post-promise bumps. A completely fact-free electoral system: the reductio ad absurdum of democracy.
 
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Kepler said:
Romney basically said "you will get a pony" during the debate. The media is either too lazy or too frightened of being called "biased" to analyze whether anyone will actually get a pony. So instead they report on the horse race, which, since it is tightening, is great news for them.

Romney just seems to be the first candidate to realize you can say "you will get a pony" in the age of the internet, when everything is instantly checkable, and still get away with it because people are either too indoctrinated to see or too turned off to care. If he wins, future elections will simply be about promising prettier ponies, with the media reporting on the size of the post-promise bumps. A completely fact-free electoral system: the reductio ad absurdum of democracy.
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wait did you say free ponies? I'm voting for this "Mitt" guy.
 
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geezer said:
wait did you say free ponies? I'm voting for this "Mitt" guy.
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My Pretty Romney

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Kepler said:
Romney basically said "you will get a pony" during the debate. The media is either too lazy or too frightened of being called "biased" to analyze whether anyone will actually get a pony. So instead they report on the horse race, which, since it is tightening, is great news for them.

Romney just seems to be the first candidate to realize you can say "you will get a pony" in the age of the internet, when everything is instantly checkable, and still get away with it because people are either too indoctrinated to see or too turned off to care. If he wins, future elections will simply be about promising prettier ponies, with the media reporting on the size of the post-promise bumps. A completely fact-free electoral system: the reductio ad absurdum of democracy.
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Ummm.........2008
 
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5mn_Major said:
Not sure what you're advocating...cause I haven' had time to back read...so this is not directed at you...but...

As Kep alluded to...dropping a bunch of bombs on Iran with the plan of taking out their nuke program is full of more problems than it in all probability solves.

Look at our nuclear intelligence in Iraq. How'd we do? Not only did we not pinpoint their program...we actually thought they had a program. How bad is that intel? What makes us think we know exactly where there program is? So we just bomb a bunch of fields hoping to hit facilities?

Likewise we can expect mult generational backlash from at least the Arab world and in some cases more. I think Americans would feel the same if the Arabs came over and started bombing places to take out our nuclear capability. See what happened after 9/11? We invaded two countries. Many don't care about multi generational backlash from the Arabs...others probably welcome it as it furthers the re armament strategy that heightens tensions everywhere just for the heck of it. Its an ongoing goal for neocons as is it makes them relevant again. All this with little likelihood of doing anything based on lack of intel.

Administration after administration has played this correctly. Put as much international pressure to bear on the situation as you can. That's not to say Romney would be as smart or as straight as every other administration.
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Iran is not an Arab country. And most of the Arab states fear and despise them. This multi-generational Arab hatred of the United States if we reluctantly decide to put Iran back in its box is a figment of your imagination. Just like the Arab support for the "Palestinians" is a figment of their imagination.

Oh, and we know where their nuclear facilities are. They've made no secret of the locations.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I told you Mitt Romney was going to win.

Four more years of funneling money into the Middle East for no return and trickle down economics. Just what our nation needs.
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Looks like some people may have to work for their "fair share." What a shame.
 
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Old Pio said:
Looks like some people may have to work for their "fair share." What a shame.
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So, none of the 47% work hard? Is that what we're saying now? Your ideal (Romney) backtracked on that you know.
 
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How bad is it for His Oneness? The ladies in the chorale are hoping a plagiarizing gas bag with hair plugs can pull this out for them. Here's a prediction: assuming Aunt Blabby doesn't pull down his zipper and show the world "old blue," her debate performance will be characterized as "just what the campaign needed."
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, none of the 47% work hard? Is that what we're saying now? Your ideal (Romney) backtracked on that you know.
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Did I say anything about 47%? What else did the "voices" tell you?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Too funny. You're perfect for them.
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I'm angling for the new cabinet level position: Secretary of Outing Lying Libstains. You know, people who claim not to have a dog in this hunt.
 
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Old Pio said:
I'm angling for the new cabinet level position: Secretary of Outing Lying Libstains. You know, people who claim not to have a dog in this hunt.
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Doesn't everyone really have a dog in the hunt? I mean, deep down, doesn't just about everyone simply vote for whomever they feel is going to do best for them individually? Or do many vote based on who they feel will be best for the rest of the people?
 
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DrDemento said:
Doesn't everyone really have a dog in the hunt? I mean, deep down, doesn't just about everyone simply vote for whomever they feel is going to do best for them individually? Or do many vote based on who they feel will be best for the rest of the people?
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IMO, the former.
 
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DrDemento said:
Doesn't everyone really have a dog in the hunt? I mean, deep down, doesn't just about everyone simply vote for whomever they feel is going to do best for them individually? Or do many vote based on who they feel will be best for the rest of the people?
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I don't think either of them will do any better for me. I knew GW would destroy everything but no one else seemed to care. Who do I vote for? Thinking maybe of writing my dog in this year. Last time it was a random celebrity.
 
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DrDemento said:
I mean, deep down, doesn't just about everyone simply vote for whomever they feel is going to do best for them individually? Or do many vote based on who they feel will be best for the rest of the people?
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I think LOTS of people vote against their own short term interests for what they perceive to be the good of the country. Limousine liberals who vote themselves higher taxes; working class conservatives who vote themselves fewer social services, etc. But those of us who do also assume our long term interests are better served by living in a better country.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't think either of them will do any better for me. I knew GW would destroy everything but no one else seemed to care. Who do I vote for? Thinking maybe of writing my dog in this year. Last time it was a random celebrity.
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Think carefully, if your dog is elected, who's gonna write your posts?

"Destroy everything?" Seriously?
 
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