2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

[Old Pio]

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I know. But even partisan hacks can maintain some semblance of composure while on the air. This was a complete meltdown.

Funny. I used to enjoy Chrissie (and Sullivan, too for that matter) but both have become so unrelentingly partisan that I just don't pay much attention anymore. Chrissie's background in day to day political maneuvering gave some credibility to his work. Not any more. Sullivan's crusade on "Trig birtherism" is ugly and another example that so many libstains have lost their minds, not to mention their consciences, when it comes to Palin.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Watching that live I didn't even laugh. My jaw just dropped. That's an epic meltdown. This guy is so emotionally invested in Obama winning he can't even keep his composure on a national broadcast.

Remember, Obama made him all tingly in his man region four years ago . I don't know why some are hootin' and hollerin' so much about this, as if it's a huge shock. Matthews is a partisan hack and has been for as long as I can remember.

I know. But even partisan hacks can maintain some semblance of composure while on the air. This was a complete meltdown.

Why is this surprising? MSNBC decided a few years ago to become the left's equivalent of Faux. They don't even bother trying to hide it anymore.

They started out trying to be another CNN but realized that they needed a niche (due to horrible ratings) and filled the void that was there - an ACTUAL, HONEST TO GOD FOR REAL liberally biased media outlet.

The morons on Faux like Krauthammer, Malkin, O'Reilly, Hannity etc, etc, etc, etc, etc do the same things. They've all been out on the ledge at different times. Krauthammer may have actually jumped...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Funny. I used to enjoy Chrissie (and Sullivan, too for that matter) but both have become so unrelentingly partisan that I just don't pay much attention anymore. Chrissie's background in day to day political maneuvering gave some credibility to his work. Not any more. Sullivan's crusade on "Trig birtherism" is ugly and another example that so many libstains have lost their minds, not to mention their consciences, when it comes to Palin.

I used to really like Hardball back when Matthews went after anyone and everyone. 10-12 years ago (forgive if it was more recent) he would be just as likely to make a Dem cry as a Republican if they couldn't defend their position on something.

He even voted for W the first time if memory serves.

Now he has an overt agenda. Just like Hannity, I can tell when he's only reporting some of the story so as to sway opinion. Too bad...

 

[Old Pio]

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Why is this surprising? MSNBC decided a few years ago to become the left's equivalent of Faux. They don't even bother trying to hide it anymore.

They started out trying to be another CNN but realized that they needed a niche (due to horrible ratings) and filled the void that was there - an ACTUAL, HONEST TO GOD FOR REAL liberally biased media outlet.

The morons on Faux like Krauthammer, Malkin, O'Reilly, Hannity etc, etc, etc, etc, etc do the same things. They've all been out on the ledge at different times. Krauthammer may have actually jumped...

Psssst. They've found their "niche," and their ratings still suck. The in house news broadcasts on my high school's TV station get better numbers. Hiring the "baddest n-word in New York" was certainly a coup. Skillets all 'round.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I have never once seen a meltdown like this on Fox (save the O'Reilly bit from years and years ago screaming at a producer, that's off air). But then again, I've probably watched a grand total of an hour in the last year.

Which isn't to say it hasn't happened. I, myself, have never seen it though. So I readily admit there may be dozens of such clips.

 

[Old Pio]

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I used to really like Hardball back when Matthews went after anyone and everyone. 10-12 years ago (forgive if it was more recent) he would be just as likely to make a Dem cry as a Republican if they couldn't defend their position on something.

He even voted for W the first time if memory serves.

Now he has an overt agenda. Just like Hannity, I can tell when he's only reporting some of the story so as to sway opinion. Too bad...

I'll say it again (although most around here don't believe me) I don't watch Fox. This is a convenient stereotype for reactionary non-thinkers. I've posted at length about what a putz I think O'Reilly is--for claiming Shawn Hornbeck liked being raped night after night at the point of a gun by a 300 pound monster. He's too lazy or stupid to look up the case of Stevie Staynor, who went through the same thing.

Anyway I only watch the cables for "wall to wall" coverage of news events, like presidential debates. That's why I watched MSNBC after the debate was over. I wanted to confirm my own sense of how things went. Boy howdy, did they confirm it.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Psssst. They've found their "niche," and their ratings still suck. The in house news broadcasts on my high school's TV station get better numbers. Hiring the "baddest n-word in New York" was certainly a coup. Skillets all 'round.

Simple rule in advertising...

Better to convince 10% of the people 100% of the time than 100% percent of the people only 10% of the time.

They've got their 10% and it's obviously paying the bills and keeping the lights on.


I like Morning Joe...

 

[Old Pio]

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Simple rule in advertising...

Better to convince 10% of the people 100% of the time than 100% percent of the people only 10% of the time.

They've got their 10% and it's obviously paying the bills and keeping the lights on.


I like Morning Joe...

Well, clearly "paying the bills and keeping the lights on" is the goal. Sadly, Lincolnesque aphorisms don't sell the inventory.

 

[Foxton]

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I'll say it again (although most around here don't believe me) I don't watch Fox.

Like every other conservative in the world who can't speak except to regurgitate spoonfed talking points from fox news.

Then again you are a senile old man who probably forgets what he actually watched but a sliver of memory might get through the fog.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Well, clearly "paying the bills and keeping the lights on" is the goal. Sadly, Lincolnesque aphorisms don't sell the inventory.

Sure they do. As long as you find your loyal customer base and expenses don't exceed revenue.

Faux works on the same model. Their customer base is just larger.

Faux can't convince me any of the time, but they've got my old man.

Therefore, they're not concerned with me. Why would they be?

 

[Old Pio]

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Sure they do. As long as you find your loyal customer base and expenses don't exceed revenue.

Faux works on the same model. Their customer base is just larger.

Faux can't convince me any of the time, but they've got my old man.

Therefore, they're not concerned with me. Why would they be?

Their advertisers are concerned about any set of eyeballs. Pro/Con/or otherwise. The number of eyeballs is what drives the rates and makes the salesmen happy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I like Morning Joe...

I do too. I love how no conservatives watch Fox or listen to Rush. I wonder who does?

 

[Jimjamesak]

Their advertisers are concerned about any set of eyeballs. Pro/Con/or otherwise. The number of eyeballs is what drives the rates and makes the salesmen happy.

Actually with television and advertising it does matter what eyeballs are watching. Rating high in just the 18-35 demographic is worth significantly more than anything.

 

[Old Pio]

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Like every other conservative in the world who can't speak except to regurgitate spoonfed talking points from fox news.

Then again you are a senile old man who probably forgets what he actually watched but a sliver of memory might get through the fog.

Thorazine, stat.

 

[sagard]

I do too. I love how no conservatives watch Fox or listen to Rush. I wonder who does?

Republicans.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I do too. I love how no conservatives watch Fox or listen to Rush. I wonder who does?

Seriously. Get over it. I'm sorry that all us don't fit your absolutely distorted view on a sane conservative. Shut the ***** up and quit b*tching. You really do whine like a baby boomer. It's getting tiring.

 

[Old Pio]

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Actually with television and advertising it does matter what eyeballs are watching. Rating high in just the 18-35 demographic is worth significantly more than anything.

I made no comment about "what" eyeballs are watching. Gurt said he watched (at least occasionaly) If he does, the advertisers are not concerned whether he agrees or disagrees with the point of view being expressed. All that matters to them is his eyeballs. Similarly, MSNBC's advertisers don't care about my point of view on those rare occasions when I watch, only that I'm watching.

Some demoraphics are definitely more attractive than others. But that's another matter.

 

[Old Pio]

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Seriously. Get over it. I'm sorry that all us don't fit your absolutely distorted view on a sane conservative. Shut the ***** up and quit b*tching. You really do whine like a baby boomer. It's getting tiring.

Bigotry and prejudice in other contexts (watermelon, natural rhythm, fried chicken, siestas, and yard work to name just a few) are bad things. But with many of our libstain colleagues, the application of prejudice and bigotry to conservatives is part of their DNA. You and I just have to be slavish followers of Fox and Limbaugh. Pay no attention to their obvious hypocrisy here. Obviously millions of people watch Fox and listen to Limbaugh, I don't. Period.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Their advertisers are concerned about any set of eyeballs. Pro/Con/or otherwise. The number of eyeballs is what drives the rates and makes the salesmen happy.

I was applying that principle to MSNBC itself, not the advertisers who pay to be on MSNBC.

The point I was trying to make is that MSNBC doesn't need to have a jillion viewers or appeal to a wide range of viewers as long as they have a niche group that is loyal to them. They do. They have figuratively convinced 10%, 100% of the way. Or 90 or 95 or 80, whatever.

It was clear in my head, but obviously lost something in translation.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Bigotry and prejudice in other contexts (watermelon, natural rhythm, fried chicken, siestas, and yard work to name just a few) are bad things. But with many of our libstain colleagues, the application of prejudice and bigotry to conservatives is part of their DNA. You and I just have to be slavish followers of Fox and Limbaugh. Pay no attention to their obvious hypocrisy here. Obviously millions of people watch Fox and listen to Limbaugh, I don't. Period.

The last time I honest-to-God listened to Rush was around 2006. I stopped watching Fox News regularly in 2008. And really, the only things that kept me watching Fox were Red Eye and the Fox Report.