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2012 Presidential Election Part III: October Surprise!

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Rover said:
I'd also like to see Romney's new tax plan...
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You can't because it's too good. You'd probably **** yourself it's that good. He's really doing you a favor by keeping it quiet, because it's that good.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Once again, thanks to all for proving I didn't need to actually watch the debate to know what happened. Of course, here's all I see on here:

Libstain: Obama was absolutely amazing, because we know what's best.
Knuckledragger: Romney had Obama shaking in his shoes.

Why watch a debate when I know I'm not going to vote for either of those clowns?
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Who exactly said anything close to this? You didn't watch the debate and you also apparently didn't read the thread that you are commenting on.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Libstain: Obama was absolutely amazing, because we know what's best.
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It is obvious that you also haven't read this thread, since not one single person said anything remotely like this.

(oops. Gurtholfin beat me to it.)
 
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Wow, just watching even the first few minutes of this, Jim Lehrer is SO Obama-biased, not even giving Romney a chance to respond to Obama's comments, especially when Obama brings the point first. Not to mention, every single thing I've heard Obama say thus far has been in an ad on this site.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Who exactly said anything close to this? You didn't watch the debate and you also apparently didn't read the thread that you are commenting on.
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I give him answering that question about as much of a chance as Mitt Romney publishing his tax plan.

Leher was biased? What planet are you on? He let Romney run the debate. He let Romney run roughshod over him. Obama would have been better off with anyone but him.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I give him answering that question about as much of a chance as Mitt Romney publishing his tax plan.

Leher was biased? What planet are you on? He let Romney run the debate. He let Romney run roughshod over him. Obama would have been better off with anyone but him.
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Opening statement, Obama. They claim it's a coin toss, but the Democrat always seems to win, for some reason.
Opening statement, Romney.
One question, Obama.
Lehrer didn't even WANT to give Romney a chance to respond, he wanted to move to another topic. Romney HAD to "roughshod" in order to make sure it was a just debate.
Response, Obama.
One again, Lehrer trying to move on. Romney had to make sure it was a just debate, and he had just as much of a chance to speak.

Perhaps we need to go back to the 2004 format.
 
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It's true that the format and the moderator gave every advantage to the prez. (I imagine it would be hard not to, when he's the prez and all). One of the more telling items was that Lehrer gave Obama an extra five minutes of talking time more than Romney. That's pretty significant, but as it turned out he used it all up umming and ahhing and looking around desperately for his teleprompter so that time was wasted anyway. :p
 
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Who was that man on stage with Obama last night? I didn't recognize him. Wasn't Romney supposed to be there instead?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Don't care about Obama. Didn't even vote for him last time. Care about Romney lying like Reagan did about slashing taxes and spending money hand over fist on the military and not honestly trying to pay for it. Care about two wars that were not honestly paid for. Care about the Bush Tax Cut that wasn't honestly paid for. Care about Medicare Prescription benefits that weren't honestly paid for. When are the Republicans going to step up and pay for their stuff?
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You're right. Dems have set a great example of how to do this. What is the national debt again? :p
 
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Tiggsy said:
You're right. Dems have set a great example of how to do this. What is the national debt again? :p
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Besides stimulus what has Obama spent money on that isn't paid for? Obama actually wants to raise taxes.

Romney AGAIN said last night that he wants to cut taxes, while at the same time not add anything to the deficit. Please explain how. And if you say trickle down please explain the results of the Bush Tax Cuts over the last decade.

Thanks.

Here are the four big lies.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/10812...icare-pre-existing-contradictions-deceptions#

1. Taxes
2. The Deficit and Spending Cuts
3. Medicare
4. Health Care and Pre-existing conditions.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Besides stimulus what has Obama spent money on that isn't paid for? Obama actually wants to raise taxes.
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Is raising taxes going to balance the budget? No. Where is all this debt coming from if all this money is paid for?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Romney AGAIN said last night that he wants to cut taxes, while at the same time not add anything to the deficit. Please explain how.
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Murder Big Bird.

Really, that solves two problems, because then I think we're down to only 46%
 
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Tiggsy said:
Is raising taxes going to balance the budget? No. Where is all this debt coming from if all this money is paid for?
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No, it's not. But cutting funding to PBS isn't going to either. The last Republican that was in there signed sweeping expensive legislation, and cut taxes. And now we're all sitting around wondering why the deficit ballooned. And Romney is proposing EXACTLY the same thing.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, it's not. But cutting funding to PBS isn't going to either. The last Republican that was in there signed sweeping expensive legislation, and cut taxes. And now we're all sitting around wondering why the deficit ballooned. And Romney is proposing EXACTLY the same thing.
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Bush's fault. Got it. I wonder if Obama bears any responsibility for anything that has happened in the last 4 years.
 
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Bush's fault. Got it. I wonder if Obama bears any responsibility for anything that has happened in the last 4 years.
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I'll say it again. What has he spent money on?

Obamacare
Stimulus
Dodd Frank
Wars he had to finish. Romney doesn't want him to finish Afghanistan and is ticked he isn't in Syria, and Iran. That's not going to cost money?

That's pretty much it. Obamacare tries to be revenue neutral. The Stimulus package by most accounts was needed and was actually agreed to by the previous President, Dodd Frank was an inevitable occurrence given our financial sectors inability to control itself.

Bush and his Congress passed NCLB, two wars, a Tax Cut, and a Medicare Prescription program without even thinking about how to pay for them.

I'm not blaming Bush. I'm blaming every single clown that was in Washington for those 8 years and not fighting against this stuff. Paul Ryan, I'm looking right at you.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'll say it again. What has he spent money on?

Obamacare
Stimulus
Dodd Frank
Wars he had to finish. Romney doesn't want him to finish Afghanistan and is ticked he isn't in Syria, and Iran. That's not going to cost money?

That's pretty much it. Obamacare tries to be revenue neutral. The Stimulus package by most accounts was needed and was actually agreed to by the previous President, Dodd Frank was an inevitable occurrence given our financial sectors inability to control itself.

Bush and his Congress passed NCLB, two wars, a Tax Cut, and a Medicare Prescription program without even thinking about how to pay for them.

I'm not blaming Bush. I'm blaming every single clown that was in Washington for those 8 years and not fighting against this stuff. Paul Ryan, I'm looking right at you.
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So debt is piling up just because? Why didn't Obama do something about it when he had complete control of Congress? You can place blame for where issues originated any where you like, but there comes a point where no matter what you bear some responsibilty for not fixing things everyone knows are problems.
 
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Tiggsy said:
So debt is piling up just because? Why didn't Obama do something about it when he had complete control of Congress? You can place blame for where issues originated any where you like, but there comes a point where no matter what you bear some responsibilty for not fixing things everyone knows are problems.
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I'm not sure any President could attack spending during a recession/depression. If you do that you destroy the economy. As far as I know every state in the union slashed their budgets the last 4 years. If Obama had done the same thing at the federal level we'd likely be looking at 16% unemployment and no auto industry. Maybe that's what he should have done just to prove the point.

But, Obama and Bush are really irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant is what Romney's plan is to fix it. He's the guy who wants the American people to fire Obama. And I don't see a single thing in his plan that addresses the budget in a fiscally sound way. It's all fantasy.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm not sure any President could attack spending during a recession/depression. If you do that you destroy the economy. As far as I know every state in the union slashed their budgets the last 4 years. If Obama had done the same thing at the federal level we'd likely be looking at 16% unemployment and no auto industry. Maybe that's what he should have done just to prove the point.

But, Obama and Bush are really irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant is what Romney's plan is to fix it. He's the guy who wants the American people to fire Obama. And I don't see a single thing in his plan that addresses the budget in a fiscally sound way. It's all fantasy.
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IMHO I don't think it ever would have been that bad but I do think there would have been a much stronger rebound instead of this long and drawn out "recovery."

What's also relevant is how Obama's plan, or lack there of, is working well enough for him to keep his job. Obviously everything he has implemented isn't exactly fiscally sound either. Otherwise the numbers would be improving substantially, and not relatively flat with debt continuing to pile up.
 
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