2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Where have all the conservative Scarborough's gone? I may disagree on some issues...but there's a guy who values a balanced perspective, very pragmatic by letting the issues and not ideology drive his perspective, and willing to call out his team when they mess up & not just to show others that 'he's somehow moderate'. I wish congress would pay enough to attract more like him...rather than attracting those rabidly addicted to ideology.

Yeah, I like him. He's someone that I don't agree with all the time, but I enjoy hearing his perspective as it doesn't have the overt agenda behind it that so many others do.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

For every Koch there's a Soros,

There are actually two Kochs and only one Soros.

Are you saying that there are just as many billionaires supporting democrats as there are billionaires supporting republicans? Seriously?

 

[Old Pio]

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There are actually two Kochs and only one Soros.

Are you saying that there are just as many billionaires supporting democrats as there are billionaires supporting republicans? Seriously?

It's not an especially relevant datum, since there are so few of them, but what about the "Oracle of Omaha?"

 

[Old Pio]

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It does seem that, when it comes to politics, both the left and the right are moving to the extremes, while at the same time people who actively identify with either the left or the right are dwindling in number. There are almost no "blue dog" Democrats left; there are few "RINO"s left. Yet surveys of party affiliation also find fewer people identify with either party.

For every Koch there's a Soros, for every Corzine there's a McMahon. More ideological litmus tests at either extreme and lots of big money to stir them up and keep them roiling.



Back when we had to walk uphill both going to school and also coming home, barefoot through the snow, politics was an occasional thing. Now it seems we can't escape it.

I disagree to this extent: while it's true the public debate seems to be dominated by the extremes, that doesn't mean we're buying all they're selling. I'm not convinced we're as divided as the commentariate would have us believe.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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It's not an especially relevant datum, since there are so few of them, but what about the "Oracle of Omaha?"

He counts for two Kochs right? Or is that four?

 

[FreshFish]

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There are actually two Kochs and only one Soros.

Are you saying that there are just as many billionaires supporting democrats as there are billionaires supporting republicans? Seriously?

Well, list them out....I'll bet you $1 that there are more wealthy people supporting democrats than there are wealthy people supporting republicans, as long as we agree that Bloomberg is neither.

Kennedy, Kerry, Soros, Pelosi, Corzine, Buffett, 3/4 of Hollywood, definitely on the left, no?

Koch, a guy whose name I can't recall, another guy whose name I can't recall, Bush, definitely on the right.

Gates, non-partisan, as far as I can tell. Bloomberg, off in his own place, wherever that is.

Wall St. typically gives more money to Democrats than Republicans, though I can't find the supporting data right now...and that may have changed since the Dodd - Frank monstrosity was enacted (do we need a Constitutional amendment outlawing bills more than 100 pages long?? sheesh.)


I don't care one way or the other, if you can give me the data, I'll accept it. Based on what I've seen and heard, yes, I'd say more wealthy people support Democrats than Republicans. Obama certainly thinks so, he spends plenty of time making life miserable for Manhattan commuters with all his *&%#@! fundraisers during rush hour!

 

[Rogie21]

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Well, this is embarrassing. Fox News spent the day spreading the meme that the polls are wrong because COMMUNIST LIBRUL BIAS BRAINWASHING SATAN. And then the Fox News poll came out.

The GOP denies that it's trying to suppress the votes by likely Democratic supports with a raft of end runs around voting rights laws---much as they deny evolution, climate change and their war on women's health rights. But they latch onto the idea that a conspiracy among pollsters is aimed at suppressing the GOP vote. Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[joecct]

The GOP denies that it's trying to suppress the votes by likely Democratic supports with a raft of end runs around voting rights laws---much as they deny evolution, climate change and their war on women's health rights. But they latch onto the idea that a conspiracy among pollsters is aimed at suppressing the GOP vote. Yeah, that's the ticket.

The Democratic machines have never suppressed the GOP vote. That is true. The Dems usually use any means possible to outvote them including bringing forth the dead, voting often, and making up a total that ensures their person wins.

Controlling the newsmedia and academia helps too.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The Democratic machines have never suppressed the GOP vote. That is true. The Dems usually use any means possible to outvote them including bringing forth the dead, voting often, and making up a total that ensures their person wins.

Controlling the newsmedia and academia helps too.

The Black Panthers gave their regards.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The idea of Republicans waging a "war on women" seems a bit droll to me. Most of the men I know think of Obama as a twit, a high school student on Shark Tank, over-matched, out of his depth, and so ignorant of what he doesn't know to realize how little he actually does know. The are impatient with him for his incompetence; to them he is below average as a manager and administrator and doesn't understand economics or business.

Most of the women I know are really angry with him, much more so than the men. They spent decades fighting against male condescension and male indifference, and his whole campaign is about reviving that: "you cute little thing, you really need government to watch out for you, you know...here's your free contraception, and don't you worry about your salary negotiations either, we'll step in and take care of that for you too."

Meanwhile they recognize that his tax policies will hit two-income families harder, and they don't like that either.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Beer and politics.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The idea of Republicans waging a "war on women" seems a bit droll to me.

Uh, huh.

Embattled Rep. Todd Akin, who on Tuesday repeated his decision to remain in Missouri's battle for U.S. Senate, said in an interview published Thursday his opponent, Democratic incumbent Sen. Claire McCaskill, was more "ladylike" in her 2006 election than she is this time around.

In recent days, however, prominent Republicans, including former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, have come out in support of Akin.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/27/akin-mccaskill-more-ladylike-in-last-election/

So, they're supporting this clown now? What a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[busterman62]

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Beer and politics.

Great Link.
I don't quite understand the Molson/Labatt split. Blue Moon surprised me too.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Republicans simply don't appear to understand that women are judging them harshly for the actual effect of their policies, not for some unsubstantial reason.

I don't think Republican policies are born of sexism -- those policies seem to be consistent with their "big business, big military and biblical literalism at the expense of everything else" mentality. Maybe the biblical literalism part is misogynistic at its source, but I doubt its modern believers are -- it has simply become a traditional framework of life.

What does seem sexist, though, is Republican men thinking they can explain to the little ladies what's good for them because, apparently, in their view women are so shallow and fragile that they just can't figure it out for themselves.

Here's the deal, Republicans. Women are rejecting you not because they're confused or "wildcats" or misled by some liberal city slicker with his fancy words and promises.

They're rejecting you because you're a loser.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

They're rejecting you because you're a loser.

And you're supporting Todd Akin.

Although national party leaders, including Mitt Romney, have denounced Akin’s comments and urged him to get out of the race, some conservative elected officials and activists have stood by him. The GOP senate campaign committee issued its statement of support a day after the deadline for Akin to withdraw had passed.

 

[Rover]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The right is more extreme than the left simply because they're in a down cycle plus the political world they envisioned in the post Reagan era has turned out a lot differently. The most far right members of the party tend to the be the people in the 50's and 60's who can't get over the fact that we're not electing "Reaganesque" Presidents. For the good of both the party and the country, these people need to either pass from the scene or continue to dimish in ranks because its absurd to think that a period of time that occured over 30 years ago has any relevance to today's current political atmosphere. I remember the 1980 election somewhat, and I don't recall too many references to 1948. Given that fact, I fail to see the 2012-1980 connections either.

 

[Kepler]

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And you're supporting Todd Akin.

Akin doesn't help them, obviously, but my point is it's even way beyond the vaginal probes and all the other creepy stuff that seeps out of the Leviticus Belt. It's about health care and education. The Republicans have been waddling around the globe for the last 20 years saying "if you can't harvest it or downsize it then bomb it." That appears to appeal to a certain type of insecure male. It doesn't sell to women at all. Oddly enough, women seem to care a lot more about matters of substance and don't respond to the same dog whistles a lot of we x-y chromo types do.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Great Link.
I don't quite understand the Molson/Labatt split. Blue Moon surprised me too.

Right wing media bias! Bud is not a liberal brand.

 

[5mn_Major]

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There are almost no "blue dog" Democrats left; there are few "RINO"s left. Yet surveys of party affiliation also find fewer people identify with either party.

From what I know, the end of the blud dog democrats is a great thing. The blue dogs were gigantic government, hard core social conservatives. Its the one thing this board can unite around.

 

[Kepler]

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From what I know, the end of the blud dog democrats is a great thing. The blue dogs were gigantic government, hard core social conservatives. Its the one thing this board can unite around.

Standing O for this.

The blue dogs were the O&M tail of the same southern conservative Democrats who opposed desegregation and voted down Head Start programs while they were shoveling billions of federal dollars to agribusiness and cancer sticks. The world is a better place without them.