2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vacante

[walrus]

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It's the lesser of two evils. Another GW Bush (Romney's a clone) gets in there and what's left of the ****pile is going down the drain.

Its Congress thats evil but has there been a budget passed since Obama was elected?

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The Two Income Trap is what started this mess in the first place. If you want to live in China go ahead. I live in the US.

Reminding me why I have him on ignore. Most friends I know with kids already have two-income earners in the household. As far as teenagers go they are now competing with laid-off adults for the jobs we used to have in high school, and those same students are having their time taxed to death if they plan to get into college because entrance requirements are now off the charts beyond just a GPA and ACT.

 

[joecct]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Its Congress thats evil but has there been a budget passed since Obama was elected?

While the budget seems important, the appropriation acts are the engine the drives the federal government. You can find their status here and the prior fiscal year's histories too. Warning -- it's not a pretty sight..

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Details on Presidential debates announced:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/13/your-guide-to-the-fall-presidential-debates/

The last debate is in Boca Raton. Just in case that story's not dead by then...

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Actually most economists agree that when times are tough the government should spend more and when times are good the government should spend less. Seems fairly straightforward to me.

The main problem we have right now is all the government spending in the world is not masking how bad the economy was in 2008 and how bad it continues to be.

Want the truth?

http://www.gfmag.com/latestnews/latest-news-old.html?newsid=1.474984E7

Romney's plan is worse. It's basically GW's. Tax cuts and more spending. Much worse than Obama. At least Obama is trying to get more revenue to pay for his spending.

Not sure how you can say that with a straight face. You need to pay attention to the last four years. Just when I start thinking you might be serious about fiscal responsibility, you go off on one of your worship Obama jags.

 

[unofan]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Obamanomics seems empirically to have been disproven; here are some academic considerations why that is so:
I guess the laws of economics have been rescinded and so none of this matters as long as our hearts are pure and our intentions are noble?

I think its adorable that you used Austrian school economics and "laws of economics" in the same post in a non-ironic fashion.

Using Henry Ford - who notably paid his workers above market wages - is even better for someone who villifies today's blue collar workforce.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Not sure how you can say that with a straight face. You need to pay attention to the last four years. Just when I start thinking you might be serious about fiscal responsibility, you go off on one of your worship Obama jags.

And you need to pay attention to the last twelve and the last 30 to give what's happening the proper context. I am.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I think its adorable that you used Austrian school economics and "laws of economics" in the same post in a non-ironic fashion.

To be fair, the Austrians believe that there are immutable laws of economics and real life experience is irrelevant -- no empirical finding is admissible to test one of their "laws." They are unfalsifiable a priori analytic truths.

This is the equivalent of me saying that the Mets are the best team in baseball and observation of their play, statistical analysis of their performance, or comparison of their winning percentage to other teams' is not only irrelevant to my statement but an affront to logic.

The Austrian School is like Ayn Rand. Very attractive to college sophomores who have never read another book.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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And you need to pay attention to the last twelve and the last 30 to give what's happening the proper context. I am.

And you need to pay attention to the root causes of what happened in the last twelve and the last 30 to give what's happening the proper context. Who started the whole anti-Russia sentiment? Truman. Who continued it? Johnson. Who repealed Glass-Steagall? Clinton with a Democrat Congress.

The religion known as "the left" screws something up, but makes sure it's something that's appealing at first, but will break in 12 years so they can blame the blasph- er "republicans".

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

And you need to pay attention to the root causes of what happened in the last twelve and the last 30 to give what's happening the proper context. Who started the whole anti-Russia sentiment? Truman. Who continued it? Johnson. Who repealed Glass-Steagall? Clinton with a Democrat Congress.

The religion known as "the left" screws something up, but makes sure it's something that's appealing at first, but will break in 12 years so they can blame the blasph- er "republicans".

Yeah, that's why it was the Republicans who appealed Glass-Steagall and Clinton's misguided "triangulation" strategy that drove the nail in.

http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Republicans-Repealed-Glass-Steagall-Economic-Crisis-Results

But you keep living in La-La Land. Can't blame you, it's better than reality.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The Daily Show just destroyed Romney, Fox and the "49% on the government Teet" meme. I would recommend everybody watch it

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Yeah, that's why it was the Republicans who appealed Glass-Steagall and Clinton's misguided "triangulation" strategy that drove the nail in.

http://gaanderson.hubpages.com/hub/Republicans-Repealed-Glass-Steagall-Economic-Crisis-Results

But you keep living in La-La Land. Can't blame you, it's better than reality.

You were in control. You had a mandate. In the business world, it's called a 51% stake. Heck, there wasn't a single Democrat President in the 20th Century that did not, at one point in his Presidency, have a mandate (it actually WAS on Final Jeopardy one night). Don't blame your inability to run a country on someone who didn't have control.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

This probably won't help Mitt.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

The Daily Show just destroyed Romney, Fox and the "49% on the government Teet" meme. I would recommend everybody watch it

That opening was one of the best I can remember.

Part of me wishes that the goons at Fox actually thought of themselves as legit coz I'd like to know that this segment would hit home and make them realize...

But they all know their job and they also know that 99% of their viewers will never see the Daily Show or watch MSNBC and they laugh all the way to the bank.

Wonder how the Stewart vs. O'Reilly thing will come off.

 

[Kepler]

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In the business world, it's called a 51% stake.

I don't remember the part of the business world where 41% of the shareholders can stop 59% of the shareholders from even voting on a proposal.

Or the part where any ONE shareholder can introduce an anonymous hold and then trade it back and forth with another anonymous shareholder forever.

The business analogy is completely irrelevant to how government works.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

I don't remember the part of the business world where 41% of the shareholders can stop 59% of the shareholders from even voting on a proposal.

Or the part where any ONE shareholder can introduce an anonymous hold and then trade it back and forth with another anonymous shareholder forever.

The business analogy is completely irrelevant to how government works.

Was a vote brought to the floor? What group wins the vote?

Nice try.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

That opening was one of the best I can remember.

Part of me wishes that the goons at Fox actually thought of themselves as legit coz I'd like to know that this segment would hit home and make them realize...

But they all know their job and they also know that 99% of their viewers will never see the Daily Show or watch MSNBC and they laugh all the way to the bank.

Ironically, the right has the classic command and control problem of a centralized, top-down information hierarchy. It's easy to keep organized and to pass out a message, but it's inflexible and almost literally incapable of changing to fit new information.

The right wing in this country has an information flow that looks exactly like any other authoritarian regime, and they are suffering from the same systemic problems.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Ironically, the right has the classic command and control problem of a centralized, top-down information hierarchy. It's easy to keep organized and to pass out a message, but it's inflexible and almost literally incapable of changing to fit new information.

The right wing in this country has an information flow that looks exactly like any other authoritarian regime, and they are suffering from the same systemic problems.

Explain the Associated Press, then.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

Thomas Sowell on why attempts to "spread the wealth around" always fail to achieve their desired objectives:

In theory, confiscating the wealth of the more successful people ought to make the rest of the society more prosperous. But when the Soviet Union confiscated the wealth of successful farmers, food became scarce....

How can that be? It is not complicated. You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated. [emphasis added]

Farmers in the Soviet Union cut back on how much time and effort they invested in growing their crops, when they realized that the government was going to take a big part of the harvest. They slaughtered and ate young farm animals that they would normally keep tending and feeding while raising them to maturity.

People in industry are not inert objects either. Moreover, unlike farmers, industrialists are not tied to the land in a particular country.

Russian aviation pioneer Igor Sikorsky could take his expertise to America and produce his planes and helicopters thousands of miles away from his native land. Financiers are even less tied down, especially today, when vast sums of money can be dispatched electronically to any part of the world.

If confiscatory policies can produce counterproductive repercussions in a dictatorship, they are even harder to carry out in a democracy, which must have public discussions and debates. Those who are targeted for confiscation can see the handwriting on the wall, and act accordingly.

Among the most valuable assets in any nation are the knowledge, skills and productive experience that economists call “human capital.” When successful people with much human capital leave the country, either voluntarily or because of hostile governments or hostile mobs whipped up by demagogues exploiting envy, lasting damage can be done to the economy they leave behind.

The number of people renouncing US citizenship to move abroad has steadily been increasing over the past several years.....

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part II -- Charlotte, a National Treasure or sede vaca

You were in control. You had a mandate. In the business world, it's called a 51% stake. Heck, there wasn't a single Democrat President in the 20th Century that did not, at one point in his Presidency, have a mandate (it actually WAS on Final Jeopardy one night). Don't blame your inability to run a country on someone who didn't have control.

You're clueless. 51% means nothing in the Senate.