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2012 Elections Part I: All Politics is Yokel

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Bob Gray said:
No, I don't have it backwards. I've heard people go on and on about how Clinton was great at having small deficits (or some would argue small surpluses). You're totally missing my point. I see lots of people, including yourself apparently, picking and choosing when to credit Presidents with deficits or not, and I'm just saying be consistent in how you do it. Either Clinton, Bush, and Obama get the lion's share of credit, or none of them do. Of course the reality it's a mix of Congress and the President, but I'm just calling out this glaring inconsistency some people have.
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Bob. Are you okay? That's exactly what I'm saying. The "these colors don't run" crowd ran around screaming Bush's deficits weren't his fault. All well and good, so now Obama's deficits aren't his fault. Or the opposite. I am fulminating against picking and choosing. It's my very point!
 
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Bob Gray said:
If they don't care about the deficit, they are stupid. An out of control deficit will crater this country, which will be a problem for everyone living here, regardless of income.
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I'm sure they care about as much as the middle class does, but (1) not enough to pay their freight, (2) not enough to remove their sense of entitlement that they are the "productive" class, and (3) they have an out when the hammer comes down in the diversification of their investments and also just plain in the fact that no matter how bad it gets they will at worst lose their tennis court, not live out of a cardboard box.

I am much more worried about the guy who stands to lose $20k than the guy who stands to lose $20M.
 
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Kepler said:
You have it exactly backwards.
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Kepler said:
I aint happy about it, but the last time I checked Congress controlled spending authorization.

2002 Bush 6.00%
2003 Bush 4.60%
2004 Bush 3.20%
2005 Bush 4.00%
2006 Bush 3.90%
2007 Bush 0.60%
2008 Bush 4.60%
2009 Bush 3.60%
2010 Obama 1.40%
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Um, who has it backwards? You say "Congress controls spending" and then in the same post list the 2002-2008 spending increases as Bush's?

Ha ha ha ha ha...
 
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LynahFan said:
Um, who has it backwards? You say "Congress controls spending" and then in the same post list the 2002-2008 spending increases as Bush's?

Ha ha ha ha ha...
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Um, cut and paste from a table anyone?
 
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Kepler said:
I'm sure they care about as much as the middle class does, but (1) not enough to pay their freight, (2) not enough to remove their sense of entitlement that they are the "productive" class, and (3) they have an out when the hammer comes down in the diversification of their investments and also just plain in the fact that no matter how bad it gets they will at worst lose their tennis court, not live out of a cardboard box.

I am much more worried about the guy who stands to lose $20k than the guy who stands to lose $20M.
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I disagree. They don't care. They couldn't ask for a better political environment than right now.
 
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Kepler said:
Um, cut and paste from a table anyone?
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btw, what kind of accounting magic makes that table accurate, if the debt went from 10 to 14T in 2010? honest question, I assume certain things are ignored (interest payments? bailouts?) Or is it just made up numbers?
 
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Kepler said:
Bob. Are you okay? That's exactly what I'm saying. The "these colors don't run" crowd ran around screaming Bush's deficits weren't his fault. All well and good, so now Obama's deficits aren't his fault. Or the opposite. I am fulminating against picking and choosing. It's my very point!
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I'm fine. You? You're the one who said I had it backwards, without ever making sense as to what I supposedly had backwards.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I'm fine. You? You're the one who said I had it backwards, without ever making sense as to what I supposedly had backwards.
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Is there an emoticon for please reread the post?
 
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geezer said:
btw, what kind of accounting magic makes that table accurate, if the debt went from 10 to 14T in 2010? honest question, I assume certain things are ignored (interest payments? bailouts?) Or is it just made up numbers?
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The more I look at the table the less I understand it. At first I thought it was adjusted dollars, but if that was the case then the Obama number should have actually been negative.

It would certainly be possible for the debt to increase faster than the rate of spending because revenue was down, but on very cursory glance, like I said, it confuses me too.
 
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Seriously?
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Plastic Man gets Onioned.

"My hope is that Republican voters will one day forgive me for making it easier for sick people—especially low-income sick people—to go to the hospital and see a doctor," Romney added. "It was wrong, and I'm sorry."
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Mean-spirited Wonkette says mean things about nice Paul Ryan (but mostly quotes somebody's else's mean things which aren't even parody).
 
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Fox played that clip over and over and over again. I'm sure their RNC paymasters told them it was time to take the air out of the ball.

BTW, CSPAN carried the unexpurgated speech and showed it tonight, and I'm sure they will again. If you have the opportunity, it's great comedy. The Donald really figured out where the main vein is, and he'll make a mint off them.
 
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