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2012 Elections - Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death....

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amherstblackbear said:
Thanks - that makes sense, though Kepler's point is well-taken.

My confusion stems from the fact that I don't see expansion of the federal government in terms of right and left. I see it as an institutional outcome (see Mo Fiorina) more than an ideological one. I wish it were different - or, at least, that I believed differently. But I don't.
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It seems to me that it is the relative rate of expansion of the federal government compared to the growth rate of the economy or of the population. If growth in government employment exceeds population growth, then more people are being supported by fewer people (basic math). If the size of the government budget is growing faster than GNP, then the government is consuming a larger share of resources, which means again by basic math that there is less left to go around for everyone else (A+B=100%, if A grows, B shrinks).

It may well be the case that it is not an issue of "left" or "right." Depending upon your viewpoint, it might be a good thing ("put those nasty capitalists in their place!!") or it might be a bad thing ("cancer cells do the same thing to a body"); it might be an issue of individual liberty; it might be a purely non-dogmatic economic consideration ("too little government can be a problem; too much government is definitely unhealthy!, there is some optimal range").
 
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Old Pio said:
It seemed to me you were comparing being taxed less with a "government benefit." Attaching the broadest possible meaning to "benefit." If that was not your intent, then I withdraw what I said.
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ah, confusion resolved. I definitely do not consider being taxed less as "receiving" a government benefit, except in that bizarro world case where the tax rate is negative!
 
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FreshFish said:
ah, confusion resolved. I definitely do not consider being taxed less as "receiving" a government benefit, except in that bizarro world case where the tax rate is negative!
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Good. Now let's gang up on Kepler, I certainly didn't misunderstand him.
 
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FreshFish said:
Let's make sure I first understand your statistic. If we take 1,000 working people, then 50% of them have 87% of the total earnings?

If you, then you have reinforced the point I made earlier: tax rates on everyone have to go up. You cannot get anywhere near what you need by raising taxes on only the top 1%.
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It's actually 60% and not sure where I've ever argued, "Only raise taxes on the top 1%".
 
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Slap Shot said:
It's actually 60% and not sure where I've ever argued, "Only raise taxes on the top 1%".
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Didn't mean to suggest you personally did...I was referring to the so-called Buffett Rule which was touted recently by the Self-Anointed One as just the tonic we need to close our budget deficit and fix our ailing economy....maybe my transition was a bit abrupt.
 
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5mn_Major said:
You want to see Mitt's campaign turn into a total circus? Put Trump on the ticket...
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For the Love of Ned, there may be Hockey Gods out there, and their humor may be eccentric. So, please. Not even in jest.
 
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Kepler said:
...I am all for having 100% of the population that earns income pay income tax. Restore the 1955 tax brackets.
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(1) Do we get the 1955 tax code too?
(2) Requiring 100% of the population that earns income to pay income tax will get you tarred and feathered nowadays.
 
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Kepler said:
For the Love of Ned, there may be Hockey Gods out there, and their humor may be eccentric. So, please. Not even in jest.
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Concur (I would have said "ditto" but who needs the abuse?).
 
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FreshFish said:
Didn't mean to suggest you personally did...I was referring to the so-called Buffett Rule which was touted recently by the Self-Anointed One as just the tonic we need to close our budget deficit and fix our ailing economy....maybe my transition was a bit abrupt.
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Wow. You sure do know how to puke up Hannity's Talking Points.

Never did Obama EVER say such a thing. NEVER.
 
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Rove's given Romney's path...win McCain states (with AZ being the only small chance of failure):

•Win Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana, for 39 electoral votes. Indiana appears safely Republican again. To counter Obama in Virginia and North Carolina, Romney needs strong support from conservatives, notably evangelicals. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum won 11 primary and caucus states this year with strong appeal to evangelicals, who still aren’t necessarily convinced that Romney is a worthy candidate. Romney hopes to motivate them May 12 when he gives the graduation speech at Virginia’s Liberty University, an influential Christian institution. “It’s an important stop for conservative political figures,” said Romney adviser Mark DeMoss, a Liberty trustee.

•Win Ohio and Florida’s 47 electoral votes. New Quinnipiac University polls, conducted April 25 to May 1, give Romney a 44-43 percent edge in Florida, while Obama held a 44-42 percent lead in Ohio.

•Plus one more state, presumably New Hampshire.
 
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There may be a problem with that strategy. :)

18-point gender gap. Here, where Aunt Mildred has a hand gun and knows how to use it. Maybe that rapey ultra-sound bill wasn't such a bright move.

I would expect the overall gap to start shrinking, but I'm not sure what the VA GOP will do to reverse the '08 result. Put up a state constitutional amendment to make gay marriage double-secret illegal, maybe? Oops, maybe not. It's a new world.

And if Mittens can't win comfortably in his natural habitat -- moderate, wealthy GOP voters with 6000 square foot homes -- that doesn't bode well for him.
 
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Looks like MN is likely to stay blue for eternity...as the GOP majority here is likely to vote down the stadium and send the state's most important icon, the Vikings, packing.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Looks like MN is likely to stay blue for eternity...as the GOP majority here is likely to vote down the stadium and send the state's most important icon, the Vikings, packing.
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Oh, please. This is your state's most important icon:

prince-rogers-nelson.jpg
 
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5mn_Major said:
Rove's given Romney's path...win McCain states (with AZ being the only small chance of failure):

•Win Virginia, North Carolina and Indiana, for 39 electoral votes. Indiana appears safely Republican again. To counter Obama in Virginia and North Carolina, Romney needs strong support from conservatives, notably evangelicals. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum won 11 primary and caucus states this year with strong appeal to evangelicals, who still aren’t necessarily convinced that Romney is a worthy candidate. Romney hopes to motivate them May 12 when he gives the graduation speech at Virginia’s Liberty University, an influential Christian institution. “It’s an important stop for conservative political figures,” said Romney adviser Mark DeMoss, a Liberty trustee.

•Win Ohio and Florida’s 47 electoral votes. New Quinnipiac University polls, conducted April 25 to May 1, give Romney a 44-43 percent edge in Florida, while Obama held a 44-42 percent lead in Ohio.

•Plus one more state, presumably New Hampshire.
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Its funny to see the "draw a Royal Flush" strategy being employed by the GOP campaign, 8 short years after it was employed by the Kerry campaign. Bottom line is if he loses any single state out of VA, NC, FL, OH, NH or AZ and he's toast, plain and simple.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Looks like MN is likely to stay blue for eternity...as the GOP majority here is likely to vote down the stadium and send the state's most important icon, the Vikings, packing.
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If the GOP successfully does this, they will have won my vote. Plenty of others as well. Just a question of whether or not they will have the stones to brag about it.
 
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sagard said:
If the GOP successfully does this, they will have won my vote. Plenty of others as well. Just a question of whether or not they will have the stones to brag about it.
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The funny thing about the whole deal is that the Vikings would be moving to a PRIVATELY funded stadium in LA.
 
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Rover said:
Its funny to see the "draw a Royal Flush" strategy being employed by the GOP campaign, 8 short years after it was employed by the Kerry campaign. Bottom line is if he loses any single state out of VA, NC, FL, OH, NH or AZ and he's toast, plain and simple.
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That's assuming he loses CO, right?

Lots of Mormons in CO and lots of Mormon money.
 
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