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2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

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Not according to a Gallup/USA Today swing state poll released today:

http://news.yahoo.com/swing-state-gallup-poll-more-bad-news-obama-210800653.html

Deadmeat's gonna have hundreds of millions of dollars to carpetbomb the Republican nominee between the end of the primary season and the conventions. It could be devastating. All of us, and I mean all, rely on polls too much. Especially the polls that seem to support our perspective.

Seen a bit more on this...and these swing state votes are allocated one state at a time. This is all the state polls available on RCP over the last week:

New Hampshire: Obama over Gingrich +10%
Iowa: Obama over Gingrich +10%
Colorado: Obama over Gingrich +8%
North Carolina: Obama over Gingrich +4%
Pennsylvania: Obama over Gingrich +8%
Ohio: Gingrich over Obama +1%
Georgia: Gingrich over Obama +8%
Florida: Obama over Gingrich +2%
Pennsylvania: Obama over Gingrich +17%
South Carolina: Obama over Gingrich +4%
Florida: Obama over Gingrich +12%
Virginia: Obama over Gingrich +7%
 
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That guy has to be desperate for votes. Seems like on a local level, people would be more ****ed off about non-taxpayers making decisions. That's been my experience at least.

In my view, some Democrats are interested in narrowing the distinctions between citizens and non-citizens as much as they can. And it's obviously for electoral advantage, wrapped up in a layer of self-serving boiler plate. Sort of like their continuing efforts to get as many convicted felons as possible to vote for their candidates. Trolling for votes in prisons is not very pretty. The ACORNing of America continues.
 
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Seen a bit more on this...and these swing state votes are allocated one state at a time. This is all the state polls available on RCP over the last week:

New Hampshire: Obama over Gingrich +10%
Iowa: Obama over Gingrich +10%
Colorado: Obama over Gingrich +8%
North Carolina: Obama over Gingrich +4%
Pennsylvania: Obama over Gingrich +8%
Ohio: Gingrich over Obama +1%
Georgia: Gingrich over Obama +8%
Florida: Obama over Gingrich +2%
Pennsylvania: Obama over Gingrich +17%
South Carolina: Obama over Gingrich +4%
Florida: Obama over Gingrich +12%
Virginia: Obama over Gingrich +7%

Have it your way. The Gallup poll got it wrong (entirely possible) and Deadmeat's not in any trouble in any of the swing states. All predicated on Gingrich being the nominee I notice. As to these individual state polls, how recent were they? And who conducted them?: And how large were the samples? He's handily leading Mitt/Newt in all of them. Nothing to see here. I notice you left Virginia and Indiana off your list of states where Deadmeat's leading. Presumably because he's not. You really think he's gonna carry South Carolina? Keep whistling, it's a really big grave yard. BTW, if I HAD ten thousand bucks I'd bet you that Deadmeat won't carry any state by 17 points, and that goes for Pennsylvania.
 
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Scooby again, I'll put forth the notion that you're getting duped by the GOP. I won't speak to Richard Nixon's motivations as it was before my time. However, in the early 90's as a pretext for defeating the Clinton proposal the righties needed something of their own which I'll suggest to you they had no intention of actually enacting. You're basically telling me that Republicans are honest and were completely willing to enact their liberal-lite counterproposal if only given the chance by those dastardly Democrats. I'm a bit surprised you're so willing to accept the GOP's narrative.

Moving on, immigration would be a big wedge issue if Bachmann was the nominee. A TRUE BELIEVER. However, if its Corporate Republicans Gingrich or Romney (or by some miracle - Perry) they're not going to enact policies that screw their big donors, many of which have no problem with something that keeps labor costs down. You'll see some lip service about building a fence along the border, but a lot less about cracking down on those who employ illegals. Also, with the Southwest being absolutely critical next year, its a fine line to walk with Hispanic voters in CO, NV, and NM.

Lastly, regarding gay marriage I suspect Obama to take the easy way out and let the court decide the issue. That's not necessarily the wrong thing to do, as ultimately any legalization law would go before the SCOTUS. Right now DOMA I think is before the court, with that Ted Olson guy advocating for its repeal (so, I guess that makes it a conservative issue? ) As someone mentioned, over time given the sharp differences between the generations on this issue, it will gain much more acceptance.
 
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Have it your way. The Gallup poll got it wrong (entirely possible) and Deadmeat's not in any trouble in any of the swing states. All predicated on Gingrich being the nominee I notice. As to these individual state polls, how recent were they? And who conducted them?: And how large were the samples? He's handily leading Mitt/Newt in all of them. Nothing to see here. I notice you left Virginia and Indiana off your list of states where Deadmeat's leading. Presumably because he's not. You really think he's gonna carry South Carolina? Keep whistling, it's a really big grave yard. BTW, if I HAD ten thousand bucks I'd bet you that Deadmeat won't carry any state by 17 points, and that goes for Pennsylvania.

Dec. 4 through today. About 8 different major research firms. Sample sizes vary. I think its unlikely O wins South Carolina. But Virginia seems to be in play...which could be enough for the win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
 
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Dec. 4 through today. About 8 different major research firms. Sample sizes vary. I think its unlikely O wins South Carolina. But Virginia seems to be in play...which could be enough for the win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

I recall back in 2000 before the campaigning started there were some polls measuring Bush vs Gore. In those Bush was up by 15 points (roughly 52-37). Now obviously things change, but it was clear that the public was comfortable with the idea of Bush being President long before election day.

Contrast that to now, in the middle of a deep recession, and the idea of Romney or Gingrich as Prez still can't garner a lead over Obama. This IMHO has less to do with Obama than the fact that people just don't like either The Mittster or Newtie, and that's even before the negative campaigning starts. Worse, these guys are known entities, so its not a matter of people learning more about them. Had Perry not been such an airhead, or Cain a sleazeball, those guys had room to grow. I'm not sure how Gingrich suddenly becomes lovable to a populace that long ago decided they didn't care for the guy.
 
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Scooby again, I'll put forth the notion that you're getting duped by the GOP. I won't speak to Richard Nixon's motivations as it was before my time. However, in the early 90's as a pretext for defeating the Clinton proposal the righties needed something of their own which I'll suggest to you they had no intention of actually enacting. You're basically telling me that Republicans are honest and were completely willing to enact their liberal-lite counterproposal if only given the chance by those dastardly Democrats. I'm a bit surprised you're so willing to accept the GOP's narrative.

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I'm suggesting that the Democrats blew their one opportunity to get real Health Care legislation passed. Now we have a GOP cluster**** on the books. Stop being proud of Democratic failure.
 
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Scoobs, me and the aliens who are currently beaming signals into your head are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.;)

Interesting story:

A new Pew Research survey finds that public discontent with Congress "has reached record levels, and the implications for incumbents in next year's elections could be stark."

Key findings: "Two-in-three voters say most members of Congress should be voted out of office in 2012 -- the highest on record. And the number who say their own member should be replaced matches the all-time high recorded in 2010, when fully 58 members of Congress lost reelection bids -- the most in any election since 1948."

"The Republican Party is taking more of the blame than the Democrats for a do-nothing Congress. A record-high 50% say that the current Congress has accomplished less than other recent Congresses, and by nearly two-to-one (40% to 23%) more blame Republican leaders than Democratic leaders for this. By wide margins, the GOP is seen as the party that is more extreme in its positions, less willing to work with the other side to get things done, and less honest and ethical in the way it governs. And for the first time in over two years, the Democratic Party has gained the edge as the party better able to manage the federal government."

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While nobody can predict next year's election results, I'm extremely amused by the narrative that Obama, a guy who's leading his opponents in all polls and has an easier electoral path than the GOP, is destined to lose the WH, yet an extremely unpopular GOP House are all going to win re-election. Funny how that works sometimes. :eek::rolleyes:
 
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Never in a hundred million years did I think people would vote for Bush in '04. Same type of surprise is coming for the Repubs.
Kerry or some dub the repubs put up, really all you need to know to see Obama reelected easily in 12.
 
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Dec. 4 through today. About 8 different major research firms. Sample sizes vary. I think its unlikely O wins South Carolina. But Virginia seems to be in play...which could be enough for the win.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
RCP includes partisan polls like PPP and lousy methodology polls like Rasmussen in its mix, but it's probably the best source out there.

Just from a local ear to the ground I think the odds of Obama winning VA again are very small. He'll take it if the GOP candidate is one of the eejits, in a landslide situation, but Romney would have no problem here at all.

I'll believe a major revolution in the Congress when I see it -- the fix is in and short of mass retirements the institutional advantages of incumbency are enormous, plus possible wave elections tend to fizzle out when power is already split (the targeted party can use the "pox on both your houses" gambit). Obama should be out there slamming the GOP do-nothings for all it's worth -- he may not have coattails, but he is in a position to focus public anger on the stonewallers. It would also give him a leg up with the Dem base, which is for obvious reasons deeply distrustful of him.
 
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Not to be morbid, but a little talked about factor in all of this is that there's millions more young voters coming into play in 2012 (the 18-22 year olds) while there's less McCain voters around than there was 4 years ago due to his higher appeal to the elderly. Obviously not all will bother to vote, but of those who do they're most likely going Obama. I'm not aware of a similar growing demographic of voters the GOP can count on next election vs the previous one. Their best hope is that people stay home this time around.
 
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Its surprising just how divided the GOP is. Its almost two parties. And Newt is the lightning rod for that division.

Newt was favored 40 pts to 23 for second place Romney late last week. Much of Newts strength is off the backs of the social and flag waving and small town and southern conservatives. But Newt also seems to be universally disliked, not just by Dems, but by pundits and specifically those that are part of the business GOP punditry. Just watch CNBC or Morning Joe, etc to get a feel. Here's a taste from the conservative Hugh Hewitt:

Could Another Great Debate Save Newt? Nope.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 9:03 AM

UPDATE: National Review's new cover depicts Newt as Marvin the Martian

Original Post:

It has been a terrible week for Newt, a very good week for Mitt, and a week of surprising momentum for the two Ricks.

The Washington Examiner, the center-right alternative to the Washington Post and Politico which is staffed by the best of center-right journalists and pundits, endorsed Mitt Romney. About Newt the editors said "[H]e is like an exploding cigar, waiting to be lit."

The National Review narrowed the field to Romney, Santorum or Huntsman. (Santorum's "moneybomb" had a good first day for the "little engine that could" among the campaigns.") About Newt, the NR editors opined: "We fear that to nominate former Speaker Newt Gingrich, the frontrunner in the polls, would be to blow this opportunity [to beat Obama]."

Gingrich's campaign momentum was thrown into reverse and the poll numbers began to fall after Monday's spectacular train wreck of an outburst that unleashed Charles Krauthammer, Brit Hume, Jonah Goldberg and George Will in a four-pundit-horsemen-of-political-apocalypse fury on the former Speaker. Mark Steyn and Ann Coulter are still on the sidelines yelling "put me in coach," which I will do with Steyn in the show's first segment today.

(Steyn's got the best last-minute shopping options for the conservative on your list, btw.)

Newt's week was so bad that actor Gary Busey unendorsed him.

And the Washington Post's Chris Cillizza has a piece up on Newt's bleak general election prospects based on the latest national polling.

Which means of course that the former Speaker will probably turn in a great debate performance tonight, but even when he does, his moment will have passed, I think, a victim to the deadly combination of the Monday blowup which confirmed the two great themes of the anti-Newts: he isn't a conservative and he isn't reliable, though in debates he appears to be both.

So where will the free electrons of the GOP primaries gravitate now? Some certainly to Santorum. Others to Perry. Some to Romney (who won the Joni Scotter primary yesterday), and some to the Ricks.

But the former Speaker's improbable comeback is in a tailspin because the GOP really does have what the National Review called a "conservative consensus on most of the pressing issues of the day," and Newt Gingrich put himself outside that consensus at the very beginning of the campaign, and again on Monday.

In the end, in the Republican primaries, it is about beating Obama in order to restore Reaganism. There remains an opportunity for someone --Santorum?-- to capture the hearts of conservatives uneasy with the former Massachusetts governor, but it won't be former Speaker Gingrich.
 
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Not sure this has been mentioned elsewhere, but despite the objections of the McCain crowd (who I fear has gone senile based on his recent comments) the Iraq war has officially ended:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70480.html

Another promise kept.

More like another flip/flop noted. First Herr Feldmarschall Obama declared the Iraq war "lost." Then declared the surge failed before it even started. Now he takes credit for the surge and the victory in Iraq. The only explanation I can see is the first two statements came when the Field Marshall was a candidate. The latter came after he was elected. Think anybody will notice?
 
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Not to be morbid, but a little talked about factor in all of this is that there's millions more young voters coming into play in 2012 (the 18-22 year olds) while there's less McCain voters around than there was 4 years ago due to his higher appeal to the elderly. Obviously not all will bother to vote, but of those who do they're most likely going Obama. I'm not aware of a similar growing demographic of voters the GOP can count on next election vs the previous one. Their best hope is that people stay home this time around.
Neurology pulls the oldest cohort to the right, so even as young people pour into the system as liberals, on the other end of the age spectrum people's brains malfunction and they become reactionary.

Just another of Mother Nature's little jokes.
 
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More like another flip/flop noted. First Herr Feldmarschall Obama declared the Iraq war "lost." Then declared the surge failed before it even started. Now he takes credit for the surge and the victory in Iraq. The only explanation I can see is the first two statements came when the Field Marshall was a candidate. The latter came after he was elected. Think anybody will notice?
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Clearly if senile old coot John McCain were President, we'd be re-upping there for another 10 years at the cost of another 500 billion dollars. Oh, and I still don't think we'd find those WMD you guys were convinced were there. About time you knucks' admit the war was a mistake, and give Obama credit for bringing this folly to a merciful close.
 
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Pawlenty probably hasn't slept in the last 2 months due to his decision to bail on the election. It kind of seems laughable that the big concern was that he couldn't get out of Bachmann's shadow.
 
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