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2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

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Hey, if it weren't for Cheney, Nouri al-Maliki wouldn't have a job. Is it too late for the GOP to push for Afghan statehood? :)

(They would have to fine-tune their stance on Islam a little...)
 
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THat was before most polititians became overt experts at spinning to the exclusion of governing. The end of compromise. :(

Driving home the last few days listening to the nonsense (not) happening in the Senate and the House. THe whole- Dems aren't getting anything done and the GOP not compromising but saying the Dems won't compromise. So I was thinking- keep hearing less govt, give it back to the states. Well- so far the inaction has forced this policy but people are complaining there is no funding for education (well, except Tex where they don't believe in that anyway), infrastructure, most State programs. Lots of complaining about loss of jobs occuring (many in local govt/service/education etc.

If less was better shouldn't this be working out? Would love to hear (not sarcastic) how this plan to downsize all this stuff on the Fed level is going to help the States or me as a citizen of one. Seems like the states are hung out to dry with no way to get capital except to cut more jobs or tax more. Neither is 'acceptable' to which ever party. $ don't grow on trees. Where is the money supposed to appear from on the State level? No one could reasonably believe they are going to cut enough waste to cure things. Much of that waste is putting $ into the economy and drives the economy somehow.

Driving 2 hrs back and forth to a conference for 2 days in a row gives one way too much time to think.

Stop injecting logic into GOP talking points!

To answer your second question on what states are supposed to do: Casinos! They've done wonders for the Detroit economy, haven't you heard? (yes, I'm being sarcastic....).
 
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Stop injecting logic into GOP talking points!

To answer your second question on what states are supposed to do: Casinos! They've done wonders for the Detroit economy, haven't you heard? (yes, I'm being sarcastic....).

We're getting them in Mass and I can't stand it. Forget the economy, think of how many new gambling addicts they'l create. Not to mention, I personally don't want that type of crowd coming into my state.
 
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If less was better shouldn't this be working out? Would love to hear (not sarcastic) how this plan to downsize all this stuff on the Fed level is going to help the States or me as a citizen of one. .
The question is, how are the feds going to pay for it without going further into debt.
 
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We're getting them in Mass and I can't stand it. Forget the economy, think of how many new gambling addicts they'l create. Not to mention, I personally don't want that type of crowd coming into my state.

No windfarms either right?
 
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The question is, how are the feds going to pay for it without going further into debt.
The feds can print money, the states can't.

Being intentionally glib, but essentially that's the difference.

As long as there are people who will buy federal debt, they'll keep running it up.
 
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We're getting them in Mass and I can't stand it. Forget the economy, think of how many new gambling addicts they'l create.

Because FoxWoods is so far away...

Not quite the same as the argument in Nebraska, where the social derptards are just being idiots, but pretty close. Omaha wants to build a casino on its side of the river. And every time, people pull out the "you'll create tons of problems," conveniently ignoring the 3 casinos within a 5 minute drive of downtown on the other side of the river in Counciltucky, Iowa. In other words, gambling and its associated problems are already there. Go to any of those casinos and 80% of the cars will have Nebraska plates. But god forbid Omaha build one on its side of the river to keep some of the money in-state.
 
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The feds can print money, the states can't.

Being intentionally glib, but essentially that's the difference.

As long as there are people who will buy federal debt, they'll keep running it up.
Sooner or later we lose the AAA rating and then what happens?
 
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Sooner or later we lose the AAA rating and then what happens?

The market overreacts, craters, and recovers within a year or two. Some people are going to lose a lot of money, some people are going to get very rich.

If the US economy fails, the entire world fails.
 
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Sooner or later we lose the AAA rating and then what happens?
To be honest, what should happen is people start ignoring the rating agencies. (Which, after 2008, might not be a bad thing.)
 
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Because FoxWoods is so far away...

Not quite the same as the argument in Nebraska, where the social derptards are just being idiots, but pretty close. Omaha wants to build a casino on its side of the river. And every time, people pull out the "you'll create tons of problems," conveniently ignoring the 3 casinos within a 5 minute drive of downtown on the other side of the river in Counciltucky, Iowa. In other words, gambling and its associated problems are already there. Go to any of those casinos and 80% of the cars will have Nebraska plates. But god forbid Omaha build one on its side of the river to keep some of the money in-state.

Don't wish to turn the thread into a casino discussion but you've bought into the spin hook line and sinker. "Social problems" aren't the issue. The issue is that all they do is transfer money from the local economy to the facility (hence the reason why NJ, CT, NY, CA, and MI's budget situations are just as dire despite years of expanded gambling) because its tough to compete against something giving out free drinks and food, pumping in oxygen to keep you awake, and selling an addictive product. That "keep the money in state" argument is used everywhere but its a false choice. The more you made an addictive product available, the more people will use it. Unless there's money hidden under a mattress somewhere, it adds nothing, and if these places are getting a tax break, the state ends up losing in the end (CT being a prime example).

To bring this back to politics, there are two ways you can tell your politicians are completely clueless: 1) They try to balance the budget through parking tickets, 2) They embrace casino gambling as a painless, free money way to grow tax revenues and the economy.
 
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If the US economy fails, the entire world fails.
Not forever. I'm sure a lot of nations are doing the thought experiment and figuring out ways to survive. For now the US is still useful to the world, so we are being permitted to continue living as hogs wallowing in our own filth. We better figure out a way to keep being useful, or the next restructuring could be our last as the world's equivalent of this guy:

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Don't wish to turn the thread into a casino discussion but you've bought into the spin hook line and sinker. "Social problems" aren't the issue. The issue is that all they do is transfer money from the local economy to the facility (hence the reason why NJ, CT, NY, CA, and MI's budget situations are just as dire despite years of expanded gambling) because its tough to compete against something giving out free drinks and food, pumping in oxygen to keep you awake, and selling an addictive product. That "keep the money in state" argument is used everywhere but its a false choice. The more you made an addictive product available, the more people will use it. Unless there's money hidden under a mattress somewhere, it adds nothing, and if these places are getting a tax break, the state ends up losing in the end (CT being a prime example).

To bring this back to politics, there are two ways you can tell your politicians are completely clueless: 1) They try to balance the budget through parking tickets, 2) They embrace casino gambling as a painless, free money way to grow tax revenues and the economy.

How many more addicts are going to be created when there are already 3 casinos within easy driving distance (and 1 is literally within walking distance if you're already downtown)? Seriously? You think there's someone out there that's telling themselves "Well gee wiz, I'd blow my social security payment on the slots but that extra 2 minutes in the car is just too much?"

Were there no casinos in the area already, I'd agree we shouldn't add one in Omaha. But the point is, they're already there. And whatever tax money is reaped from them goes to Iowa and not Nebraska, even though the majority of the gamblers are from the Nebraska side of the river.

But those god-fearin' evangelicals from the pan handle can't have any sin in Nebraska. Oh no.
 
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How many more addicts are going to be created when there are already 3 casinos within easy driving distance (and 1 is literally within walking distance if you're already downtown)? Seriously? You think there's someone out there that's telling themselves "Well gee wiz, I'd blow my social security payment on the slots but that extra 2 minutes in the car is just too much?"

Were there no casinos in the area already, I'd agree we shouldn't add one in Omaha. But the point is, they're already there. And whatever tax money is reaped from them goes to Iowa and not Nebraska, even though the majority of the gamblers are from the Nebraska side of the river.

But those god-fearin' evangelicals from the pan handle can't have any sin in Nebraska. Oh no.

I'm not talking addicts. I'm talking about the place sucking up ever more of the region's disposable income. The goal of many of these places is continued expansion which they generally are allowed to do. Think about it. You own the local restaurant/bar. Yet another casino opens in town. For them all to compete, they're going to offer more and more freebies to get people into their facilities. They can afford to do this because of the size of their business. They'll probably pay off a few politicians for a tax break to make up for it. You however can't compete against an entity offering for free what you're charging people for (drinks and food). You also can't offer people a line of credit to patronize your business, nor stay open 24/7. In short, you're going under most likely, its only a matter of time.

Look, I admire what those companies have accomplished. The business model is brilliant. You find a bunch of dumb politicians and the people they represent, hire a few of them and their relatives which isn't illegal in most places, raise the boogeyman argument of "all your citizens are going of state to gamble", put together a slick presentation with widely optimistic job and tax projections that you have no intention of meeting, and then when none of that comes true you claim its because you need to expand the facility, serve drinks all night every night, etc. None of this affects me any, but it makes me wonder when people are going to realize they're getting screwed.

A big, big problem in this country is the population as a whole engages in activities that make no economic sense. Taking equity out of your house to go on vacation for example from the previous decade. Expanded gambling is another part of that. This country collectively needs to put more effort into making things to export to the world market which will lead to a net gain in jobs. The more people look to ideas like casinos to stimulate their economy the further this country falls behind.
 
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The question is, how are the feds going to pay for it without going further into debt.

I think this is the point. The GOP seems to be trying to sell me the line that less fed gov't will solve the problem. So far we have had inept govt by blocking any meaningful movement on legislation of any sort= less govt. The problems haven't gotten any better.

Blaming Obama or the GOP is irrelevant. We over-spent, allowed people to get credit where they had no business, buy houses when they had no business doing so. Saying we should cut spending and add no revenue- then expect the economy to flourish makes no sense. Shifting the burden off the fed to the state is just a shell game. Not saying we should spend indiscriminately but don't pretend the lack of spending isn't going to impact the economy. We shouldn't be spending what we were but the way to boost the economy is to go back to doing so. Basically no one wants to have patience for the correction that will take time.
<--amatuer economist
 
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Basically no one wants to have patience for the correction that will take time.
<--amatuer economist
None of the professional politicians want to lose their jobs because they have no skills other than screwing us over
 
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None of the professional politicians want to lose their jobs because they have no skills other than screwing us over
Well, that says in one sentence what I did in paragraphs. I just get frustrated when people actually believe the drivel that the polititians spout about no pain but gain. :rolleyes:
 
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