2012 Elections: Corndogs for everyone!

[Old Pio]

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Meanwhile, Roll Call with a piece that exposes what a thoroughly corrupt pos John Murtha was. Remember him? He was the face of Democratic opposition to the war in Iraq. After all, "he was a marine." There were months where you couldn't turn on TV or pick up a paper without seeing his face. Nancy plucked this obscure (and corrupt) back bencher to lend some badly needed creedence to their opposition to Bush. Admittedly his corruption and stealing (from us) isn't directly related to the war, but it would have been nice if the libtards could have found somebody other than a common crook to be their front man. If he had lived, he'd likely be sharing a cell with Duke Cunningham. I'd imagine the collective libtard reaction here will be "John who?"



http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_4...T=rollcall:e11154:80067576a:&st=email&pos=eam

 

[Foxton]

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Meanwhile, Roll Call with a piece that exposes what a thoroughly corrupt pos John Murtha was. Remember him? He was the face of Democratic opposition to the war in Iraq. After all, "he was a marine." There were months where you couldn't turn on TV or pick up a paper without seeing his face. Nancy plucked this obscure (and corrupt) back bencher to lend some badly needed creedence to their opposition to Bush.

And here all she had to do was wait till it was found out that Bush lied to get us into Iraq hunting WMD.

 

[Old Pio]

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There are a lot of really stupid people involved with OWS. However, a former Soviet citizen managed, I think, to find the dumbest one. Listen as this old bat defends North Korea, the most repressive, brutal, dictatorship on the planet. Especially in comparison to South Korea. We've all seen the satellite images from the Korean peninsula: the South all aglow with lights at night, the North looking like the dark side of the moon. A regime that kidnaps citizens from other countries, sort of focus groups with an edge. The North Koreans have had to reduce the physical requirements for service in their military (height, weight, etc) because many thousands of their people are starving to death. But this libtard dunce characterizes North Korean workers as "getting paid a decent wage." Paraphrasing Ralph Kramden: "Baby, you're the dumbest."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMV0TR3pGzg&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[Foxton]

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Hey now, if it wasn't for America the two Koreas would be unified and westernized.

Quite frankly, I think if we would not be in South Korea, which I have advocated for years, South Korea and North Korea probably would be unified and they would be westernized by now. But this whole idea that we are there and we persists with this confrontation…

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-06/ron-paul-north-korea-is-not-a-threat-to-the-us/

 

[Handyman]

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If the 2000 and 2004 election taught us anything it's that there is literally no level of stupidity that would be considered too risky by the public. Dubya came off as a drooling idiot in the debates and a certain segment of the population not only wasn't turned off by it but actually fell for it as "authenticity."

More importantly, by the general campaign the Echo Chamber will be sagely intoning every night that the Republican nominee is all things wonderful, so their audience will either have forgotten or more likely won't ever have known if their candidate is a halfwit. Control the message and reality doesn't matter -- Roger Ailes' lasting gift to the right.

Yeah but the difference was Kerry was unelectable and Gore could bore the dead and distanced himself completely from Clinton. Obama has the left even though they dislike him and the middle wont vote for any of the yutzes vying to "Not Be Romney" let alone Romney himself so the comparison does not work. The middle will decide and if you think they are going to vote for the tallest midget out of the GOP I got some swampland to sell you. The divide between them all is too great, there is no one candidate that stands above the rest on that side.

If half a nation is dumb enough to re-elect Dubya they are dumb enough to re-elect Obama too.

Feel free to keep tilting and windmills though...I am sure Rover Panza has your back

 

[Bakunin]

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The debates with Obama will be hilarious only because Obama won't actually have to talk to win them.

Do the debates matter to anyone outside the media? Is there ANY evidence whatsoever that debate performance impacts the behavior of the voters?

 

[Old Pio]

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Do the debates matter to anyone outside the media? Is there ANY evidence whatsoever that debate performance impacts the behavior of the voters?

Sometimes. But you're right to ask since many (most?) of us rely on the media to tell us who "won" and who "lost." Reagan helped himself enormously in '80 with "there you go again, Mr. President." He towered over Carter physically and showed the American people he wasn't the nuclear bomb throwing clown he'd been portrayed. Similarly, his performance in the second debate with Mondale quieted the concerns that he was out of it. Gore hurt himself terribly with his sighing and grimacing and the cheap stunt of invading Bush's space. These really aren't debates in any meaningful sense. They're closer to simultaneous news conferences. We're all waiting for a Lloyd Bentsen or Gerald Ford moment. Usually we're disappointed.

The '60 debates are the standard by which these things are measured. JFK was able to show himself as "presidential," in that first debate, while Nixon, who had been hospitalized and looked terrible, stupidly refused to use beardstick to cover up his 5 O'clock shadow. Nixon also made a much more significant mistake: he assumed the audience would increase as the debates went on and agreed to have the last debate focused on foreign policy. In fact, the audience diminished, and even though he was able to get JFK to suggest he might not defend the off shore islands of Quemoy and Matsu (very big deal during the Cold War) he scored that win in front of a significantly smaller audience. This was a race decided by the equivalent of one vote per precinct nationwide. Incidentally, polls taken among those who "listened" to the debates on radio had Nixon winning.

The media think they're entitled to these things. The public does too, even though the majority won't watch and may not vote. The campaigns of incumbents, unless they're trailing, would rather skip them. Challengers, on the other hand, see debates as golden opportunities to close the on the incumbent, so challengers generally are all for 'em. Once the debates are scheduled, each campaign does everything possible to minimize their impact. So when Al Gore stuck his pompous face in Bush's face and asked "what about Smoot Hawley" (or whatever it was) he showed himself, at that moment, to be a guy pretty full of himself. And not very likeable. And hundreds of thousands of Americans learned something about Gore they didn't know before.

So the answer to your question is: yes, sometimes debates make a difference, even though candidates make huge efforts to minimize that difference.

 

[Handyman]

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Do the debates matter to anyone outside the media? Is there ANY evidence whatsoever that debate performance impacts the behavior of the voters?

No but that wasnt the point. I just think they will be funny

What would be even better is if Perry gets asked the 800lb elephant question. (his ranch)

 

[Old Pio]

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No but that wasnt the point. I just think they will be funny

What would be even better is if Perry gets asked the 800lb elephant question. (his ranch)

A rock in west Texas on a 1000 acre hunting preserve which nobody except the WaPo has seen, may not be quite as entertaining as the words of Deadmeat's racist, anti-semitic minister, who married him, baptized his daughters and preached to him for 20 years. And this "smartest guy in the room" claims, rather unpersuasively, that like the piano player in the bordello, he had no idea what was going on upstairs. We'll see.

Actually, I hope Deadmeat makes "racism" the centerpiece of his campaign. Independent voters will be moving to Canada to get away from him. "God d*mn America"

 

[Foxton]

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Hide yo kids, hide yo wife!

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"That woman needs to get back to her real life and quit being a drain on her friends.. seems to me she just wanted a chance to relive some freedom"

 

[Handyman]

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How bad do you have to be to be the backup crew on Fox and Friends? Oh wait, the clip answered that. TV productions at St. Cloud State are better than those chumps. Btw always classy comment about how she might be "staying with a waiter" nothing like calling a woman a whore because she went to the protests.

I love though that she somehow abandoned her kids by doing this. First of all she has a 17 year old and a 15 year old so it isnt like they need a babysitter anyways and second of all THE FRIGGIN DAD IS THERE! Is the dad so worthless he cant handle his kids for a few days? Jesus my friend has 4 kids and I watched them for four days by myself.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Our local right wing political station called OWS Marxist's this morning. I think that's the final word on the issue.

 

[Rover]

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I second the notion that debates do have some impact but not as often as the media would make you think. Despite winning his debates with Bush, which put him back in a race that was slipping away from him, clearly it didn't do enough for Kerry's sake. I do remember cringing at Gore's over the top performance in 2000 also. A lot has to do with expectations. Nobody expected Mondale to outdo Reagan as we were not aware of Reagan's illness at the time. Likewise Dukakis was set up by the Bush I campaign as a champion debater, and when he got smoked it fit perfectly with their "he's not Presidential material" mantra.

Side note about the Kennedy-Nixon debates. I heard the much quoted "Kennedy won on TV but Nixon won on the radio" urban legend was based on a really small sample size, too little to be significant. Not being a statsnerd (and having heard this 15 years ago) I don't remember how large the sample audience was.

 

[Old Pio]

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I second the notion that debates do have some impact but not as often as the media would make you think. Despite winning his debates with Bush, which put him back in a race that was slipping away from him, clearly it didn't do enough for Kerry's sake. I do remember cringing at Gore's over the top performance in 2000 also. A lot has to do with expectations. Nobody expected Mondale to outdo Reagan as we were not aware of Reagan's illness at the time. Likewise Dukakis was set up by the Bush I campaign as a champion debater, and when he got smoked it fit perfectly with their "he's not Presidential material" mantra.

Side note about the Kennedy-Nixon debates. I heard the much quoted "Kennedy won on TV but Nixon won on the radio" urban legend was based on a really small sample size, too little to be significant. Not being a statsnerd (and having heard this 15 years ago) I don't remember how large the sample audience was.

You could well be right. That factoid has become part of our political history, and may have been made up, or incorrectly reported. The decision to hold foreign affairs 'til the final debate was far more important.

This piece from the Newseum refers to "Nixon won with listeners" but offers no explanation. Or source.
http://www.newseum.org/news/2010/09/the-kennedy-nixon-debates.html

Remember when Jimmy Carter in his debate with Reagan, talked about discussing some important issue with Amy? Really? You consult with a 12 year old? Your point about expectations is exactly right. However nobody set Mikey up for that ride in the M1A1, he did that all by himself. Perhaps the worst photo op in modern presidential politics. And nobody set him up with that incredibly tone deaf response to the hypothetical about what he'd do if somebody raped and murdered Kitty. Only one correct answer (or a variant): rip the guy's b*alls off, shove 'em down his throat, and throw him into a wood chipper. Instead, Dukakis answered like Jack McCoy on Prozac. Somebody described that question and answer as a tomahawk to Mikey's forehead.

During the 80 primaries Carter had Ted Kennedy breathing down his neck. On the morning of the Wisconsin primary he went on national TV to announce a "break through" with the Iranian hostage holders. No breakthrough, of course, but he won the primary. The late Jeff McNelly did one of the funniest political cartoons I've ever seen during that race. Carter is sitting at the desk in the Oval, writing a letter to Teddy along these lines: "I know you don't want to talk about Chappaquiddick. I don't want to talk about Chappaquiddick. This race should be decided by something other than what happened on Chappaquiddick. So I'm going on national TV tonight to tell the American people not to concern themselves with Chappaquiddick."

 

[Priceless]

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Look on the bright side, Texas. You still Have Rick Perry.

 

[Kepler]

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Look on the bright side, Texas. You still Have Rick Perry.

Go for the even brighter side. If he really wants to be President maybe they'll secede.

 

[Old Pio]

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Who gives a sh*t about what an old libtard "journalist" like Bob Schieffer thinks about the "inappropriateness" of Herman Cain's ad where his campaign manager is smoking? What possible justification is there for Schieffer to lecture Cain, on national TV, about that spot? It's not a matter of asking about the spot, it's that Schieffer figures it's part of a "journalist's" job description to share with us his personal beliefs and prejudices. If Schieffer has so little regard for objectivity in this matter, how confident should we be that he EVER plays it down the middle?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/30/h...lashing-from-cbs-for-cigarette-smoking-in-ad/

 

[Rimbaud]

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Who gives a sh*t about what an old libtard "journalist" like Bob Schieffer thinks about the "inappropriateness" of Herman Cain's ad where his campaign manager is smoking?

My first guess would be....you.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Who gives a sh*t about what an old libtard "journalist" like Bob Schieffer thinks about the "inappropriateness" of Herman Cain's ad where his campaign manager is smoking? What possible justification is there for Schieffer to lecture Cain, on national TV, about that spot? It's not a matter of asking about the spot, it's that Schieffer figures it's part of a "journalist's" job description to share with us his personal beliefs and prejudices. If Schieffer has so little regard for objectivity in this matter, how confident should we be that he EVER plays it down the middle?

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/30/h...lashing-from-cbs-for-cigarette-smoking-in-ad/

Oh, no. It's the other outrage of the day.

 

[dubbie31]

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Look on the bright side, Texas. You still Have Rick Perry.

And executions!