ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
The USA today poll still has votes going to Wisconsin, so it's officially worthless.
The USA today poll still has votes going to Wisconsin, so it's officially worthless.
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2012 D1 BCS thread
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MavHockey14
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They are not eligible for the Coaches' Poll, therefore not ranked. Thus, of the 25 ranked teams, zero belong to the Big Ten.
They are eligible for the AP poll.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/coaches/?mobile=n
dxmnkd316
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Across The Field does include the line "so let's win that old conference now." I can imagine that a pep band modifying that lyric to single out the current opponent. But if so, it must have happened in hoops or some other sport I don't closely follow. As a Football and Hockey fan, I've never heard Indiana specifically mentioned in the song.
Also, I suppose Indiana could have been targeted in an earlier version. If you're talking 50 or 100 years ago, I wouldn't know. But let's say for the last 25 years that hasn't been the case, to the very best of my knowledge.
Hmm... I think not.
Across The Field does include the line "so let's win that old conference now." I can imagine that a pep band modifying that lyric to single out the current opponent. But if so, it must have happened in hoops or some other sport I don't closely follow. As a Football and Hockey fan, I've never heard Indiana specifically mentioned in the song.
Also, I suppose Indiana could have been targeted in an earlier version. If you're talking 50 or 100 years ago, I wouldn't know. But let's say for the last 25 years that hasn't been the case, to the very best of my knowledge.
UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
West Virginia is absolutely the class of the Big 12 this year, but **** is their defense awful. And what happened to Texas' D? They're atrocious as well.
West Virginia is absolutely the class of the Big 12 this year, but **** is their defense awful. And what happened to Texas' D? They're atrocious as well.
Okay. I just happened to remember it beIng sung with Indiana on a commercial for Burger King or something like that back in the '90s. I could've misremembered or some writer could have decided to use Indiana for some reason.
bronconick
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Bobby Bowden once admitted that he coached ultra conservatively against Miami because of all the random losses he suffered to them, and that it caused even more losses.
Fisher does that to anyone who isn't a big game, and it's killing him. 5 losses to double digit underdogs in 2.5 seasons, this weekend because he tries to sit on a 2 score lead at halftime.
Bobby Bowden once admitted that he coached ultra conservatively against Miami because of all the random losses he suffered to them, and that it caused even more losses.
Fisher does that to anyone who isn't a big game, and it's killing him. 5 losses to double digit underdogs in 2.5 seasons, this weekend because he tries to sit on a 2 score lead at halftime.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Hopefully Fisher follows in his predecessor's footsteps, and blows a game against Miami. That way, everyone's favorite ACC Team (Clemson) can win the conference again, get paired up against West Virginia in the Orange Bowl, and Vegas will finally get a football game with an over/under well into the triple digits.
Hopefully Fisher follows in his predecessor's footsteps, and blows a game against Miami. That way, everyone's favorite ACC Team (Clemson) can win the conference again, get paired up against West Virginia in the Orange Bowl, and Vegas will finally get a football game with an over/under well into the triple digits.
Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
As a transplant, push the conversation back into the mid-80s and I wouldn't have been aware of the song, much less the BK commercial! And in fairness to all of us, even the researcher couldn't pinpoint when the conference reference replaced the team reference.
Thanks; appreciate the interesting link. No real surprise the team from Ann Arbor got the first mention.
Probably the latter. As per Kepler's link, the specific school reference dates back to 1915. Most likely there was a tradition to plug in other opponent names as the situation warranted, and it's simply a practice that went by the wayside long ago.
As a transplant, push the conversation back into the mid-80s and I wouldn't have been aware of the song, much less the BK commercial! And in fairness to all of us, even the researcher couldn't pinpoint when the conference reference replaced the team reference.
bronconick
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
No, he's 6-0 vs. Florida, Miami and in bowl games so far. Crapping his pants against some other ACC team is entirely likely, but everyone knows that Clemson's going to Clemson anyway.
Hopefully Fisher follows in his predecessor's footsteps, and blows a game against Miami. That way, everyone's favorite ACC Team (Clemson) can win the conference again, get paired up against West Virginia in the Orange Bowl, and Vegas will finally get a football game with an over/under well into the triple digits.
No, he's 6-0 vs. Florida, Miami and in bowl games so far. Crapping his pants against some other ACC team is entirely likely, but everyone knows that Clemson's going to Clemson anyway.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Probably. So long as they can keep it to 1 though, FSU will probably just burn up in flames here like they did last year. People need to remind themselves that this isn't the 1990s...FSU isn't a national title contender anymore. I thought Heather Din***** was going to cry when she was interviewed after the game. Was she really expecting something different out of the ACC this year?
Now, the ACC is getting better (at least recruiting), and I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 5 years an ACC team goes undefeated and plays for the title. It's just that no team is there right now. Clemson may have a shot next year, but they need to prove that they can win the games that they should first before even I will go so far as to say they should be put into the mix.
Probably. So long as they can keep it to 1 though, FSU will probably just burn up in flames here like they did last year. People need to remind themselves that this isn't the 1990s...FSU isn't a national title contender anymore. I thought Heather Din***** was going to cry when she was interviewed after the game. Was she really expecting something different out of the ACC this year?
Now, the ACC is getting better (at least recruiting), and I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 5 years an ACC team goes undefeated and plays for the title. It's just that no team is there right now. Clemson may have a shot next year, but they need to prove that they can win the games that they should first before even I will go so far as to say they should be put into the mix.
bronconick
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Hahaha. No one in the ACC is stepping their game up aside from the two aforementioned schools. Jim Grobe remains the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference, at a rate that would put him about 9th in the SEC. UNC stuck their toe in the water and got burned by Davis, so they're going to scurry back to basketball, VT is starting down the "2000's FSU" track with an old, tired coaching staff. No one else even has the potential. The conference will continue to suck.
Edit: The ACC routinely sits 2nd/3rd in NFL draft picks. The recruits and talent have been there. They don't develop it, and they don't have elite coaching.
Hahaha. No one in the ACC is stepping their game up aside from the two aforementioned schools. Jim Grobe remains the 2nd highest paid coach in the conference, at a rate that would put him about 9th in the SEC. UNC stuck their toe in the water and got burned by Davis, so they're going to scurry back to basketball, VT is starting down the "2000's FSU" track with an old, tired coaching staff. No one else even has the potential. The conference will continue to suck.
Edit: The ACC routinely sits 2nd/3rd in NFL draft picks. The recruits and talent have been there. They don't develop it, and they don't have elite coaching.
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MavHockey14
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Understandable, I mean, you are a Gopher fan!Didn't realize that.
I stand corrected.
Fighting Sioux 23
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I certainly would put Miami, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and NC State as teams with the potential to compete at that high level. You could also make an argument for teams like Maryland, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and BC to be potential players in a more competitive ACC. Again, I'm not saying right now, but down the road in 5-10 years.
EDIT: Also, assuming you are correct and that the ACC sits 2nd/3rd in NFL draft picks on a routine basis, that would seem to indicate a great deal of talent at the coach level in the conference (perhaps just not at the head coaching level). Players just don't go from high school to the pros on their own.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I certainly would put Miami, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, and NC State as teams with the potential to compete at that high level. You could also make an argument for teams like Maryland, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and BC to be potential players in a more competitive ACC. Again, I'm not saying right now, but down the road in 5-10 years.
EDIT: Also, assuming you are correct and that the ACC sits 2nd/3rd in NFL draft picks on a routine basis, that would seem to indicate a great deal of talent at the coach level in the conference (perhaps just not at the head coaching level). Players just don't go from high school to the pros on their own.
bronconick
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Miami is still staring sanctions in the face in a season where their two losses have been a combined 97-16. They average about 22,000 fans. It's entirely likely that it will take them 5-10 years to get back to this level again in the future. Realistically, one of Maryland/VT/Virginia could be a 8-10 win team at the expense of the other two, and one in Carolina, The majority of schools do not invest in their football programs.It's very similar to the PAC-12. The PAC-12 has an edge in that they've had recent top 5 success and there are no other major leagues in competition with them out west. The ACC gets plowed under by the SEC with regularity. Best case scenario is you end up with FSU/Clemson finishing top 5/top 15 and a 3rd and occasional 4th team cracking the top 25.
Miami is still staring sanctions in the face in a season where their two losses have been a combined 97-16. They average about 22,000 fans. It's entirely likely that it will take them 5-10 years to get back to this level again in the future. Realistically, one of Maryland/VT/Virginia could be a 8-10 win team at the expense of the other two, and one in Carolina, The majority of schools do not invest in their football programs.It's very similar to the PAC-12. The PAC-12 has an edge in that they've had recent top 5 success and there are no other major leagues in competition with them out west. The ACC gets plowed under by the SEC with regularity. Best case scenario is you end up with FSU/Clemson finishing top 5/top 15 and a 3rd and occasional 4th team cracking the top 25.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
I'm not saying the ACC is going to rival the SEC. While it could happen (although entirely unlikely), it would take a major shift over the course of a couple decades. What I'm saying, is that I believe in 5-10 years that the ACC will be: 1) Better than they are now as a whole, 2) Be at least a player on the national scene (read: holding their own in non-conference against other top conferences), and 3) Have legit teams shooting for playing in the national championship on a consistent basis. While those teams may generally be Clemson and Florida State, that is no different than most any other conference around the country.
I'm not saying the ACC is going to rival the SEC. While it could happen (although entirely unlikely), it would take a major shift over the course of a couple decades. What I'm saying, is that I believe in 5-10 years that the ACC will be: 1) Better than they are now as a whole, 2) Be at least a player on the national scene (read: holding their own in non-conference against other top conferences), and 3) Have legit teams shooting for playing in the national championship on a consistent basis. While those teams may generally be Clemson and Florida State, that is no different than most any other conference around the country.
Kepler
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
The ACC is in a geographical position to be able to raid both northwest into the Rust Belt and south into the Bible Belt. Of course, that's also a double edged sword, since it means they can be squeezed out by the SEC and the Big Integer, which has been happening for what seems like a decade.
I'd love to see the ACC improve. As long as it isn't Va Tech, which is the only local entity with more annoying supporters than the Redskins.
The ACC is in a geographical position to be able to raid both northwest into the Rust Belt and south into the Bible Belt. Of course, that's also a double edged sword, since it means they can be squeezed out by the SEC and the Big Integer, which has been happening for what seems like a decade.
I'd love to see the ACC improve. As long as it isn't Va Tech, which is the only local entity with more annoying supporters than the Redskins.
Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
You should try to see if you can take a historical tour of the horseshoe. We recently did one at the Big House, and it was pretty fascinating- especially the history before it was built. The "Champions of the West" came from that time, and one of the reasons UM left the Big10 was OSU (along with many of the eastern schools that they had history with). Really cool info. Had no idea that there was so much tie in. (UM is the only school to leave and come back to the B10)
Just as interesting- how the stadiums around the country influenced the Big House. And how that changed college football quite a bit. (and I'm sure I mentioned that the old Ferry Field location is still used, and has a dedication to a very big day for a famous OSU student)
You should try to see if you can take a historical tour of the horseshoe. We recently did one at the Big House, and it was pretty fascinating- especially the history before it was built. The "Champions of the West" came from that time, and one of the reasons UM left the Big10 was OSU (along with many of the eastern schools that they had history with). Really cool info. Had no idea that there was so much tie in. (UM is the only school to leave and come back to the B10)
Just as interesting- how the stadiums around the country influenced the Big House. And how that changed college football quite a bit. (and I'm sure I mentioned that the old Ferry Field location is still used, and has a dedication to a very big day for a famous OSU student)
Spartanforlife4
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Re: 2012 D1 BCS thread
Michigan left the Big Ten because they were kicked out for failing to follow league rules. Now, they were stupid rules (5 football games a year, athletes could only play 3 years) but they didn't leave all on their own. I wouldn't expect a school tour to give out that type of info about their own school, though.
Michigan left the Big Ten because they were kicked out for failing to follow league rules. Now, they were stupid rules (5 football games a year, athletes could only play 3 years) but they didn't leave all on their own. I wouldn't expect a school tour to give out that type of info about their own school, though.
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