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2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

That's a crock of $hit. Take a look at how many times Minnesota played "in-state rival" Bemidji prior to them joining the WCHA. One series from 2004-05 through 2009-10. 7 years and they played one series. And of course every pre-WCHA series vs Bemidji has been in Minneapolis, because that's the best way to help out in-state hockey, right? :rolleyes:

Does that mean they shouldn't support them moving forward? I don't think so. Especially now that BSU's program is having financial issues. And by the way, Minnesota fought hard to get BSU admitted into the WCHA. Ask anyone in the BSU administration. Sorry, but BSU is the more important rivalry.
 
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What reason does Lucia have to lie? He has already said he doesn't care who doesn't like it, he is going to do what's best for the U of M. All the Sioux fans who were crying about the logo can now move on to crying about this.
 
True, just look no further than the Gopher- Sue\Sioux\Whioux thread and it's over 900 posts and 34,000 views, crazy. No other game thread will come close to that on this board. It's really too bad we aren't playing UND for 4 years(probably will meet in NCAA's most years though if selection committee has it's way) I would rather watch that series than Kato or Bemidji or Northeastern... yawn.

Minnesota has always been about supporting in-state hockey. And the strength of in-state hockey has benefited the Gophers greatly thruought their history. You have to look at the big picture. Sure, the BSU rivalry isn't as fun or intense, but it is more important. Ensuring the stability of the other in-state programs so our kids have as many opportunities to play at the next level as possible is more important than any OOC rivalry.
 
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Wow, lots of tears being shed by the Whioux fans over this schedule issue. Where is that Whioux poster with his big box of tissues? Maybe he should stick around the Forks with it.
 
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Wow, lots of tears being shed by the Whioux fans over this schedule issue. Where is that Whioux poster with his big box of tissues? Maybe he should stick around the Forks with it.

Lots of Minnesota fans excusing their University for being two-faced horrible peoples.
 
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The issue is resolved and when it is Minnesota's fault he is free to speak the truth.
North Dakota's inability to get their house in order is Minnesota's fault? We all know Hakstol was dragging out the mascot issue to find a way to avoid playing Minnesota.
 
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North Dakota's inability to get their house in order is Minnesota's fault? We all know Hakstol was dragging out the mascot issue to find a way to avoid playing Minnesota.

Everything is Minnesota's fault. But you are combining two separate issues into one. You should take a few reading comprehension courses.

At least Gopher fans are done arguing with me about the FSU/Native American Policy as they've finally come to accept that I'm right.
 
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North Dakota's inability to get their house in order is Minnesota's fault? We all know Hakstol was dragging out the mascot issue to find a way to avoid playing Minnesota.

Funny you should mention that.
Hakstol, who had been a staunch nickname supporter, said Wednesday it's time to move on without the nickname and the decades-old controversy. He doesn't believe the NCAA will back down on sanctions against the school, and thinks the Big Sky Conference will dump UND if it uses the nickname. The school has been accepted into the Big Sky for sports other than hockey.
 
The issue is resolved

No, it isn't:


Fighting Sioux nickname appeal to be heard Feb. 14

A hearing has been set for Feb. 14 in St. Paul on Fighting Sioux nickname supporters’ appeal of a judge’s dismissal of their lawsuit against the NCAA.

Pro-nickname members of the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux nations last year appealed U.S. District Judge Ralph Erickson’s dismissal of their lawsuit to the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Attorneys for the NCAA and for Spirit Lake’s pro-nickname Committee for Understanding and Respect have indicated they will appear before a three-judge panel assigned by the appeals court to hear the case.

The committee, joined by Standing Rock Sioux member Archie Fool Bear, had filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court on Nov. 1, 2011, alleging violations of contract law and federal civil rights laws and demanding reversal of the NCAA policy against use of American Indian names and imagery by member schools.

Committee and NCAA lawyers argued the issue in Fargo before Judge Erickson, who dismissed the suit in early May 2012. The Spirit Lake committee and Fool Bear filed notice of appeal at the end of May.

In mid-June, just three days after state primary election voters overwhelmingly endorsed retirement of the nickname, the Spirit Lake committee told the appeals court that the Sioux people had been denied “a seat at the table” as the controversial issue worked through state and federal courts, the North Dakota Legislature and NCAA governing bodies.

After the primary election vote, the State Board of Higher Education directed UND to retire the historic nickname and Indian head logo, which it has done. UND athletic teams have since competed as “North Dakota” and “UND” while it complies with a state-imposed nickname moratorium until 2015.

In a written brief filed with the appeals court last August, the NCAA said the plaintiffs lack standing to sue, “however sincere (their) antipathy toward the NCAA,” and their appeal “is as procedurally improper as it is futile.”

Reed Soderstrom, a Minot attorney representing the Spirit Lake committee and Fool Bear, responded that the NCAA had not engaged the committee’s arguments, “relying instead on a barrage of unmeritorious claims regarding pleading, standing and statutes of limitation.”

As in previous filings and arguments, Soderstrom and the committee rely heavily on a 1969 naming ceremony conducted at UND by Sioux elders, the significance of which has been a matter of dispute.

Call Haga at (701) 780-1102; (800) 477-6572, ext. 1102; or send email

to chaga@gfherald.com.

Tags: fighting sioux, news, und, nickname, courts, updates
 
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BTW - I'm old enough to remember all the griping about continuing to play Michigan when they left for the CCHA. They ended up scheduling the showcase on an annual basis, but the rivalry wasn't the same as non-conference foes. The rivalry slowly faded to the point that it became just another OOC game. Those who think this rivalry will stay the same now that each team is in a different conference are fooling themselves.
 
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Good job on plagiarism, but that has no effect on UND. So yes, as far as UND concerned, the issue is resolved. And since the NCAA agrees, that is all that matters.
 
Everything is Minnesota's fault. But you are combining two separate issues into one. You should take a few reading comprehension courses.

At least Gopher fans are done arguing with me about the FSU/Native American Policy as they've finally come to accept that I'm right.

I think your FSU argument is apples-to-oranges, but don't really care enough to endlessly debate you on that topic.

Unless you have specific evidence that shows that the rule was indeed in effect when those match ups were scheduled, and there were no mitigating circumstances (such as it being a conference showcase and the conference asking the Gophers to ignore the rule to play for example), then it isn't worth discussing. It's just a tin foil theory.
 
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I think your FSU argument is apples-to-oranges, but don't really care enough to endlessly debate you on that topic.

Unless you have specific evidence that shows that the rule was indeed in effect when those match ups were scheduled, and there were no mitigating circumstances (such as it being a conference showcase and the conference asking the Gophers to ignore the rule to play for example), then it isn't worth discussing. It's just a tin foil theory.

As I've said multiple times now, the Gophers did not have to participate in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, but they did. That was scheduled at the end of the previous season while the policy was in place. Whether it's a conference showcase or not is irrelevant. Whether the Big Ten ask them to play is irrelevant. Minnesota chose to play that game.
 
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Read between the lines. We all know the quote should be,
Now that Minnesota has filled its schedule, coach Dave Hakstol is in support of dropping the Sioux nickname. Coach Hakstol is now in favor of blaming everyone else for the results of his actions and has enlisted the support of Virg Foss to publish drivel to that effect.
 
As I've said multiple times now, the Gophers did not have to participate in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, but they did. That was scheduled at the end of the previous season while the policy was in place. Whether it's a conference showcase or not is irrelevant. Minnesota chose to play that game.

Show me where someone said they had a rule in place (which we know they did) and chose to ignore it and we'll talk. Otherwise you have no evidence to prove there wasn't other circumstances to explain it. Show me hard evidence of when those match ups were scheduled, and why they were allowed to schedule them. Otherwise it's conjecture, not evidence.

I can give you many written and recorded sources that say the nickname prevented Minnesota from scheduling UND in hockey. Provide the same to prove they ignored the rule for no good reason in the past.
 
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In other words, there is always an excuse why it's OK this time. When Minnesota wants to play a team with a Native American nickname, they'll think up a reason why it's OK. That's been my point the entire time. Thank You.
 
In other words, there is always an excuse why it's OK this time. When Minnesota wants to play a team with a Native American nickname, they'll think up a reason why it's OK. That's been my point the entire time. Thank You.

Just asking you to play by the same rules you ask others to play by. Yes, I think it is much more likely there is a logical explanation than it being some conspiracy to leave UND off our schedule.

If Don wanted to play Notre Dame because of Mario, he could have done that and played UND. He would have just had to schedule UND instead of BC/Northeastern. But he didn't. At some point you're going to run out of conspiracy theories and realize it really was just about the nickname.
 
As I've said multiple times now, the Gophers did not have to participate in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge, but they did. That was scheduled at the end of the previous season while the policy was in place. Whether it's a conference showcase or not is irrelevant. Whether the Big Ten ask them to play is irrelevant. Minnesota chose to play that game.
That is ridiculous. The Gophers couldn't choose to not play in the ACC/Big Ten challenge any more than they could choose to stay in the WCHA.
 
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