2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

[SCSU Euro]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

How's the inside of your cheek feel? Does it feel like a cold, hook-shaped object is in it?

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

It is a pick and choose situation though. That's the issue. It's either a policy or it isn't. If the policy says Minnesota should not play teams with Native American nicknames, why were they playing teams with Native American nicknames? I don't think Lucia is avoiding UND or scared of them or anything, I think it's exactly what I said. He'd rather play his son's team and some east coast teams. And I have no problem with that.

 

[mnstate0fhockey]

It is a pick and choose situation though. That's the issue. It's either a policy or it isn't. If the policy says Minnesota should not play teams with Native American nicknames, why were they playing teams with Native American nicknames? I don't think Lucia is avoiding UND or scared of them or anything, I think it's exactly what I said. He'd rather play his son's team and some east coast teams. And I have no problem with that.

Except he could have scheduled Notre Dame and UND if that were only the case. I understand what you're saying and why you'd question it, but I think it was a simple case of the school not giving him leeway on the nickname issue, and not wanting to wait too long to get quality opponents on the non-conference schedule.

Anyways, I think I've taken up enough space in your season thread. Let's just hope they find a way to get games scheduled in the near future.

 

[Hock Puckly]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

"I get that North Dakota and its fans are obsessed with Minnesota. It is kind of cute but also a little stalkerish. Just go sit in the corner for 3 years and we will see what we can do about letting you play again." gopheritall

The main reason real fans of both programs are frustrated with this is because of the great respect each has for the other, no matter the flaming by some fans. When you play a quality opponent, it makes you better, win or lose. Both programs are great, thus the rivalry. Plain and simple.

 

[gopheritall]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

"I get that North Dakota and its fans are obsessed with Minnesota. It is kind of cute but also a little stalkerish. Just go sit in the corner for 3 years and we will see what we can do about letting you play again." gopheritall

The main reason real fans of both programs are frustrated with this is because of the great respect each has for the other, no matter the flaming by some fans. When you play a quality opponent, it makes you better, win or lose. Both programs are great, thus the rivalry. Plain and simple.

The flaming is a major part of the fun. It is all in good fun. I think we all would rather there was no gap in playing each other despite our groundless, fake accusations. Good flaming is taking a grain of truth and blowing it completely out of proportion.

 

[MadTownSioux]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

blah blah blah.

holy crap are you on the defensive. You mean the Lou-chia-pet's dance card is filled up for the next 4-5 years??

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

It is a pick and choose situation though. That's the issue. It's either a policy or it isn't. If the policy says Minnesota should not play teams with Native American nicknames, why were they playing teams with Native American nicknames? I don't think Lucia is avoiding UND or scared of them or anything, I think it's exactly what I said. He'd rather play his son's team and some east coast teams. And I have no problem with that.

Believe me, I and many other Gophers fans...do not like Lucia's thing with Notre Dame. I have no burning desire to play UND...but as a supporter of the BiG, I'd much rather play UND than Notre Dame.

 

[Stauber1]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

This policy was in place before the NCAA policy on Native American nicknames and Minnesota played Florida State in basketball. To me this policy means that FSU was not on the OK list for Minnesota to play. But they did play. If Minnesota truly was against Native American nicknames, they could have opted out of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge. Precedent for this was set by Indiana when they opted out because Bob Knight was a grumpy old man. Minnesota didn't opt out though because this is a policy that is applied or ignored depending on what is convenient.

A few more examples:
The baseball team invited FSU to participate in their Dairy Queen Classic Tournament in 2004.
The softball team went to the Florida State Classic tournament in 2004.
The swimming team is hosting UND this Friday!!!!

So yes the nickname is just an excuse.

A couple quick questions for you Dirty -
- The policy was approved in Oct. 2003. When did it go into effect? When were those 2004 matches scheduled? If they were scheduled before the policy went into effect, your argument is moot. Considering all of them except the basketball were played the same academic year as the policy being approved (basketball was played 13 mo after the approval of the policy), I think it's safe to assume they had already been scheduled for some time. Including the basketball.
- Along similar lines, the swimming team is hosting UND this year...a UND team that is now in compliance with the NCAA. When was that match scheduled? If it was scheduled after the nickname issue had been settled, again, your point is moot.
- IF the policy was indeed ignored in any of those instances, upon whose authority was it allowed to be overlooked? If the coaches weren't given that authority and it instead rested in the hands of the regents, then your repeated accusal of Lucia using the nickname issue to cover up a hidden agenda not to play UND (or schedule other teams than UND) makes you seem...well...totally bat **** crazy. And, dude, you don't need any extra help in that department.

At any rate, I don't have the answer to those questions. Do you, Dirty?
You might turn out to be right. Do some homework and get back to us. I'd be interested to know the answers.

...not interested enough to do the work myself...but then again, I'm not the one making wild suppositions without bothering to do the legwork to see if they have any basis in reality or if they just exist in my bitter, paranoid mind.

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

The Big Ten/ACC Challenge is scheduled at the end of the previous year as the #1 ACC team plays the #1 Big Ten team, #2 ACC vs. #2 Big Ten, etc. The volleyball team also played FSU in 2005. Perhaps you are correct and all these games were scheduled before the policy was in place, but I really doubt it. And it's definitely not the case with the basketball team.

 

[Golden Tuuk]

It is a pick and choose situation though. That's the issue. It's either a policy or it isn't. If the policy says Minnesota should not play teams with Native American nicknames, why were they playing teams with Native American nicknames? I don't think Lucia is avoiding UND or scared of them or anything, I think it's exactly what I said. He'd rather play his son's team and some east coast teams. And I have no problem with that.

Let me clue you in so we can quit wasting bandwidth on this.

The only reason they have been playing the Sioux in hockey is because they were in the same conference. That's been the policy. I can't believe you guys didn't know that.

 

[Goon]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

It is a pick and choose situation though. That's the issue. It's either a policy or it isn't. If the policy says Minnesota should not play teams with Native American nicknames, why were they playing teams with Native American nicknames?

-> $

 

[gopheritall]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

The Big Ten/ACC Challenge is scheduled at the end of the previous year as the #1 ACC team plays the #1 Big Ten team, #2 ACC vs. #2 Big Ten, etc. The volleyball team also played FSU in 2005. Perhaps you are correct and all these games were scheduled before the policy was in place, but I really doubt it. And it's definitely not the case with the basketball team.

I don't have any proof but I am pretty sure the Lucia didn't schedule any of those games. He is responsible for scheduling men's hockey non-conference games. Please give 1 example of Lucia scheduling a game that has not been in compliance with U policy at the time that the scheduling decision is made.

We ALL know Hakstol was behind dragging out the Sioux naming issue because he is afraid of Minnesota.

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

Lucia has not gone against the University policy, but given the number of times other Minnesota teams have played Florida State since the policy came into effect it's evident that the policy can and is disregarded from time to time. Lucia could have attempted disregard the policy if he really wanted to. But the UND games weren't that important to him, so he didn't. And let's say he did attempt to disregard the policy, why would the board of regents say no when they had no problem playing Florida State? My whole point here has been that Minnesota has a policy that it applies at times and ignores at other times. You seem to think I am on some sort of witch hunt against Lucia and I am not. Don't get mad at me because your University is inconsistent and I'm pointing it out.

 

[SanTropez]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

The flaming is a major part of the fun. It is all in good fun. I think we all would rather there was no gap in playing each other despite our groundless, fake accusations. Good flaming is taking a grain of truth and blowing it completely out of proportion.

True, just look no further than the Gopher- Sue\Sioux\Whioux thread and it's over 900 posts and 34,000 views, crazy. No other game thread will come close to that on this board. It's really too bad we aren't playing UND for 4 years(probably will meet in NCAA's most years though if selection committee has it's way) I would rather watch that series than Kato or Bemidji or Northeastern... yawn.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

Minnesota's board of regents won't allow the Gophers to play games against schools with Indian nicknames. Don Lucia and the athletic department at the University of Minnesota have ZERO input or control over that. NONE. By the time UND got the nickname issue resolved, Minnesota had already filled their non-conference schedule.

Some points about this.

1. To those who say Wisconsin managed to leave room open, why couldn't Minnesota?

Unlike Wisconsin, Minnesota has four in-state rivalries to maintain. In-state hockey has always been important to the Minnesota program.

That's a crock of $hit. Take a look at how many times Minnesota played "in-state rival" Bemidji prior to them joining the WCHA. One series from 2004-05 through 2009-10. 7 years and they played one series. And of course every pre-WCHA series vs Bemidji has been in Minneapolis, because that's the best way to help out in-state hockey, right?

 

[gopheritall]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

Lucia has not gone against the University policy, but given the number of times other Minnesota teams have played Florida State since the policy came into effect it's evident that the policy can and is disregarded from time to time. Lucia could have attempted disregard the policy if he really wanted to. But the UND games weren't that important to him, so he didn't. And let's say he did attempt to disregard the policy, why would the board of regents say no when they had no problem playing Florida State? My whole point here has been that Minnesota has a policy that it applies at times and ignores at other times. You seem to think I am on some sort of witch hunt against Lucia and I am not. Don't get mad at me because your University is inconsistent and I'm pointing it out.

I'm not mad at you. Let's not pretend that all schools are created equal. UND is no Florida State. The NCAA grated Florida State a waiver given to continue to use their name and imagery. UND had no such waiver and the U had no grounds on which to allow games to be scheduled. If UND and the NCAA had worked out an agreement that allowed them to continue to use the Sioux and and imagery you can be sure that something would have been done. It would appear that UND was screwed by the refs (NCAA) again. Blaming Minnesota is just unfounded. Hakstol should have resolved the mascot issue earlier.

 

[Go4PuckFan2.0]

-> $

LOL!

That's timely.

Few, if any, college hockey programs have benefitted more from that adage than UND and their spineless capitulation to Ralph Engelstad and his $$$$$'s.

Wow.

Just...wow.

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

I'm not mad at you. Let's not pretend that all schools are created equal. UND is no Florida State. The NCAA grated Florida State a waiver given to continue to use their name and imagery. UND had no such waiver and the U had no grounds on which to allow games to be scheduled. If UND and the NCAA had worked out an agreement that allowed them to continue to use the Sioux and and imagery you can be sure that something would have been done. It would appear that UND was screwed by the refs (NCAA) again. Blaming Minnesota is just unfounded. Hakstol should have resolved the mascot issue earlier.

I addressed FSU having a waiver from the NCAA already. Some of the games took place before the NCAA issued its' decree of Native American nicknames thus Minnesota only had its' own policy to go on. The other games that I referenced were almost certainly scheduled before the NCAA issued its' decree, so again Minnesota only had its' own policy to go on.

 

[Go4PuckFan2.0]

That's a crock of $hit. Take a look at how many times Minnesota played "in-state rival" Bemidji prior to them joining the WCHA. One series from 2004-05 through 2009-10. 7 years and they played one series. And of course every pre-WCHA series vs Bemidji has been in Minneapolis, because that's the best way to help out in-state hockey, right?

There are many ways to help in-state hockey.

Mankato State played a home game against the Gophers at the X that added 150K to their coffers that they wouldn't normally get playing in Mankato.

But that's beside the point. Fact is the mascot issue STILL isn't resolved.

Until your own house is in order, quit blaming someone else for the way they run theirs.

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2012-2013 North Dakota Hockey: Season Thread

There are many ways to help in-state hockey.

Mankato State played a home game against the Gophers at the X that added 150K to their coffers that they wouldn't normally get playing in Mankato.

But that's beside the point. Fact is the mascot issue STILL isn't resolved.

Until your own house is in order, quit blaming someone else for the way they run theirs.

The issue is resolved and when it is Minnesota's fault he is free to speak the truth.