2011 Division III Commitments

[PSUChamps2001]

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I must admit I am relatively new to the DIII scene and i learn abit more each time I read the posts On this blog. Tons of history and tradition! It's amazing and very interesting. There's a lot of insight from fans, former players, etc. who have a tremendous passion for this corner of the college hockey world and have been around for more than a few seasons shall we say! Great discussions.....atleast most of the time anyway! lol

So while we are all waiting for the next recruiting update, ill ask another question......

PSU Champ2001 - You made the statement at the end of your last post..."Also Emery has had to now compete with a strong womens program. This has had more to do with players exiting more then anything else."

Can you please expand on this? How does a competitive womens program cause men to leave early?

I didn't mean the womens team specific, but the fact that the funds that once went to the Mens hockey team, is now shared upon a lot more sports at SUNY Plattsburgh....thus....players do not recieve the amount of aid they use to ...

 

[NUProf]

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I didn't mean the womens team specific, but the fact that the funds that once went to the Mens hockey team, is now shared upon a lot more sports at SUNY Plattsburgh....thus....players do not recieve the amount of aid they use to ...

The amount of aid should not have anything to do with other athletic programs. If it does then Platty is violating DIII rules. You should not be able to tell the difference in FA packages between athletes/non athletes/one sport and another. The Financial aid profiles should be homogenous. If it was an advantage to be a hockey player, then PSU would have some vacating to do.

 

[Hammer]

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I think he might be referring to each teams budget in general, not necessarily the financial aid packages.

 

[XYZ]

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Hey, look...actual recruits news.

One to Manhattanville, one to St. Norbert.

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[PSUChamps2001]

The amount of aid should not have anything to do with other athletic programs. If it does then Platty is violating DIII rules. You should not be able to tell the difference in FA packages between athletes/non athletes/one sport and another. The Financial aid profiles should be homogenous. If it was an advantage to be a hockey player, then PSU would have some vacating to do.

Who said it was just for hockey? Plattsburgh could not afford to hand out lucrative packages because thier funds were going to support other athletic programs. Players AND other non New York students had their tuition sky rocket (compared to 1. What they WERE paying and 2. What other schools were offering). Combine that with guys not transitioning as fast as hoped and thus not getting playing time you saw some guys leave. There were a lot more players getting ready to leave until PSU admins put a little better package together FOR ALL students, still only a fraction to what other schools offer, but Plattsburgh relies on history and tradition to grab their players.

 

[bakdraft21]

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The amount of aid should not have anything to do with other athletic programs. If it does then Platty is violating DIII rules. You should not be able to tell the difference in FA packages between athletes/non athletes/one sport and another. The Financial aid profiles should be homogenous. If it was an advantage to be a hockey player, then PSU would have some vacating to do.

they would have some MORE vacating to do........

 

[XYZ]

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Now, if you've got 2-3 kids leaving every year, over and above graduating seniors, I'm sorry, but you've got a problem. That's close to a third of a full recruiting class leaving every year.

I would wager 2-3 per season is fairly close to the average across DIII as a whole. For example, in its first three offseasons Adrian had two, four and three non-seniors not return for the following season.

 

[AldenPartridge1819]

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I would wager 2-3 per season is fairly close to the average across DIII as a whole. For example, in its first three offseasons Adrian had two, four and three non-seniors not return for the following season.

Norwich and Middlebury always seem to have a lot of attrition. I took a look at Norwich's numbers for the last five off-seasons.

05/06-06/07 = 5
06/07-07/08 = 5
07/08-08/09 = 8
08/09-09/10 = 8
09/10-10/11 = 4

That's an average of 6 per year! Way too high in my opinion. Some of the guys missing were pretty good players too. A couple were some of the most talented on the team the year/s before. This years' team only had two seniors, one of whom didn't come in till his soph year. Success in the win/loss column or not, this is not a good track record for any program to have. It makes you wonder. Remy will say that all the players who left were babies, but 6 per year? Doesn't seem likely.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Norwich and Middlebury always seem to have a lot of attrition. I took a look at Norwich's numbers for the last five off-seasons.

05/06-06/07 = 5
06/07-07/08 = 5
07/08-08/09 = 8
08/09-09/10 = 8
09/10-10/11 = 4

That's an average of 6 per year! Way too high in my opinion. Some of the guys missing were pretty good players too. A couple were some of the most talented on the team the year/s before. This years' team only had two seniors, one of whom didn't come in till his soph year. Success in the win/loss column or not, this is not a good track record for any program to have. It makes you wonder. Remy will say that all the players who left were babies, but 6 per year? Doesn't seem likely.

I'd say 13 straight ECAC East regular season titles, nine ECAC Tournament titles, 10 Frozen Four appearances, and four national coach of the year awards speak for itself in 16 years.

 

[AVFC]

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Hey, look...actual recruits news.

One to Manhattanville, one to St. Norbert.

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Is the OPJHL (or whatever it is called these days) falling apart? I am shocked at some of the stats posted on the list. A lot of the kids listed for Adrian, SNC and the SUNYAC schools seem to be producing at a rate WELL in excess of a PPG. Is this an issue of league depth? Is the league getting less attention from DI schools these days?

 

[Tucker6]

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The talent in the OJHL is pretty watered down, although they have been trying to address the problem the last two years through contraction, folding, and combining something like 10 teams. I would look to next year with 26 teams to see if the quality of play improves. The top teams such as Wellington usually put a couple a year in D1, but most of the kids play DIII. I would also think the Wellington pipeline to OZ may be drying up alittle bit as the last group of guys that went down there have not played very much starting with Hall.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

The talent in the OJHL is pretty watered down, although they have been trying to address the problem the last two years through contraction, folding, and combining something like 10 teams. I would look to next year with 26 teams to see if the quality of play improves. The top teams such as Wellington usually put a couple a year in D1, but most of the kids play DIII. I would also think the Wellington pipeline to OZ may be drying up alittle bit as the last group of guys that went down there have not played very much starting with Hall.

The OJHL is also notorious for handing out random second assists.

 

[AldenPartridge1819]

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I'd say 13 straight ECAC East regular season titles, nine ECAC Tournament titles, 10 Frozen Four appearances, and four national coach of the year awards speak for itself in 16 years.

You forgot three National Championships. But, I stick to my opinion that losing an average of six players per year (and that's just over the last five years) is not a good thing for Norwich. Can the hockey team still win without them? Obviously. You already pointed out the stats, but it makes me question the priorities of the coach and the athletic department.
I knew that the number was high when I looked, but I was quite astounded to find out how high.
You really don't think there's anything wrong/strange/perplexing about attrition to that extent?

 

[NorthernLite]

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You forgot three National Championships. But, I stick to my opinion that losing an average of six players per year (and that's just over the last five years) is not a good thing for Norwich. Can the hockey team still win without them? Obviously. You already pointed out the stats, but it makes me question the priorities of the coach and the athletic department.
I knew that the number was high when I looked, but I was quite astounded to find out how high.
You really don't think there's anything wrong/strange/perplexing about attrition to that extent?

Answer: No.
Suggestion: Start a thread on this subject.....or take a Midol and let it go.

 

[altazo]

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The very best programs like Platt, Oswego, SNC, Norwich, etc. attract who many believe are the "very best D3 recruits." Many of these kids were borderline D1 recruits and went D3 because of their perception that they will be an impact player immediately. Problem is, there is already an abundance of talent at these schools and the realities of some of these kids' roles on their teams may be tough to swallow. I think that's why the best programs may have more attrition than the average schools...

 

[XYZ]

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The very best programs like Platt, Oswego, SNC, Norwich, etc. attract who many believe are the "very best D3 recruits." Many of these kids were borderline D1 recruits and went D3 because of their perception that they will be an impact player immediately. Problem is, there is already an abundance of talent at these schools and the realities of some of these kids' roles on their teams may be tough to swallow. I think that's why the best programs may have more attrition than the average schools...

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave this thread as this sort of logical approach renders the last three pages of pointless BS useless. And we just can't have that around here.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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I would also think the Wellington pipeline to OZ may be drying up alittle bit as the last group of guys that went down there have not played very much starting with Hall.

Excellent point.

 

[bakdraft21]

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Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave this thread as this sort of logical approach renders the last three pages of pointless BS useless. And we just can't have that around here.

your right, doesnt he know we need to b.s. about this for another 4 months until the pink bunny subject comes up....LOL....he did make a very astute observation....must be the air in utah

 

[oldguard]

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Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave this thread as this sort of logical approach renders the last three pages of pointless BS useless. And we just can't have that around here.

Great response!

 

[XYZ]

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More action in the MCHA with one to MSOE, one to Adrian and a transfer from Lake Forest to Lawrence.

In the NCHA Eau Claire puts one up on the board.


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Also, in yet another piece of cutting edge work by your friendly neighborhood recruit trackers, we were able to catch a couple of screen caps from an episode of Man Vs. Food that feature Fredonia recruit Mike Monfredo. It appears he put down four plates worth in an attempt to help Adam Richman and a team of about 40 others consume a 190 pound hamburger.