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2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Sad day for college football, no matter what the whole scandal makes you think about JoePa or PSU. The world lost a **** good football coach today.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Having seen friends my age or younger deal with chemo, (and being knocked on their *** for 2-3 days afterwards, even for a couple hours of it) I wonder if he made the choice to put off most treatment in order to finish out the season given how quickly he started it after they fired him and how quickly he went downhill.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Paterno family spokseman has stated that the reports are false
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

This is a great quote.

But Penn State couldn't get to the top of the polls. The Lions finished second in 1968 and 1969 despite perfect records. They went 12-0 in 1973 and finished fifth. Texas edged them in 1969 after President Richard Nixon, impressed with the Longhorns' bowl performance, declared them No. 1.

"I'd like to know," Paterno said later, "how could the president know so little about Watergate in 1973, and so much about college football in 1969?"
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alfablue said:
As long as we leave it at that.
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Which is what he should be praised for. He masterfully recruited and coached young student athletes to be better people and **** good players. As an avid college football fan, I truly believe we lost one of the greatest of all time.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

J.D. said:
It's all speculation. The people who think Oklahoma State is better than Alabama are speculating and think the system failed.
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C'mon. I realize this is a complicated conversation. There are probably as many specific positions as there are posters. But you can't really think this. Did even one person on the thread say that Oklahoma State was definitively better on paper?

I'm not going to repeat the long version of the argument; it's all there in the previous posts. But if it really must be spelled out, the philosophical divide is as follows: One side believes playoff berths should be awarded on the basis of on-field accomplishments to the maximum extent possible, and puts the greatest weight on conference championships. The other side believes that various kinds of style points, such as "best loss" and conference reputation, can properly be used to leapfrog wild card teams over conference champs. As such, they put the greatest weight on poll results.

There's certainly no problem with honest disagreement. But your last post TOTALLY misrepresents my side of the issue.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

LynahFan said:
While I agree that would be weird, I'll play a little devil's advocate:

Given the history of the Gophers, I don't think it's completely unfair for there to be some inertia in their poll movement. The difference between a 10-1 champion and a 7-4 also-ran is only 3 games, and while 3 flukes are unlikely, it's certainly not impossible. It would also depend how the rest of the B10 looked that year - did the Gophers rise or did the rest of the conference fall? Etc, etc. Perhaps there's *some* unfair bias there, but at least a good portion of what may appear to be bias is actually rational and justifiable.
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No I agree with all of that there is no doubt none of this is created in a vacuum. If I trusted the BCS polling system to pick the 4 best teams I would not even question it but I don't. Until rules are in place to prevent certain scenarios there is going to continue to be big problems.

The solution is to let them all duke it out and see what happens. Hard to argue that OK State is more deserving than Alabama if they played for the right to face LSU and Bama beat them. There is a long enough break to set up the opening rounds at the higher ranked seeds stadium then use the BCS Bowls for the Final Four. It would be so ****ed easy a blind man could set it up and make a billion off it.

There is inherent flaws in this though too. A smaller conference team that gets in via WC will always play on the road. Teams with less than stellar records that win bad conferences could get lucky and make a run. One of the major bowls will be left out since only 3 games will be needed for the Final Four. These are logistics I can deal with though :)

Seriously, I would rather go back to the old system than watch another year of the BCS.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

UW has its own problem now.

http://m.wkow.com/default.aspx?pid=...ed-subordinate-indecently?clienttype=rssstory

Not really a big deal, already a resignation and it wasn't anything terribly criminal if there wont be charges pressed by the junk grabee. Anyone hoping for Bielema or Alvarez to have an ungrateful exit over this should keep wishing, unless there's more to it.
 
ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
UW has its own problem now.

http://m.wkow.com/default.aspx?pid=...ed-subordinate-indecently?clienttype=rssstory

Not really a big deal, already a resignation and it wasn't anything terribly criminal if there wont be charges pressed by the junk grabee. Anyone hoping for Bielema or Alvarez to have an ungrateful exit over this should keep wishing, unless there's more to it.
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Unrelated to this. But was bielema an alcoholic at one point? May just be a rumor I've hear but just curious. Something to talk about in the offseason!

Signing Day today! Kind of an exciting day in an otherwise dull period for college football fans. Really hoping the hawks can close on two more guys tomorrow.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

You know, as much as I absolutely detest Bulimia, I really want the OSU AD and president to both get hit by a bus. E. Gordon Lee is a complete as*hole. I've always suspected that OSU has run a dirty program and the administration has pretty much accepted it, and maybe even encouraged it.

I wouldn't mind Bielima coming out on top here. Ohio State needs to be b*tch-slapped again. They obviously didn't get it when they had to fire their cheater head coach.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I honestly thought Gene Smith would have been fired by now, with Gee getting a hard look from the trustees. Who wants their President joking that "I hope Tressel doesn't fire me."?
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

So, Wisconsin has itself another transfer quarterback.

Yay, I guess. Though he sure as heck isn't Russell Wilson, and you do have to wonder at what point this sort of thing starts hurting their recruiting of HS kids at QB.
 
Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

WeWantMore said:
So, Wisconsin has itself another transfer quarterback.

Yay, I guess. Though he sure as heck isn't Russell Wilson, and you do have to wonder at what point this sort of thing starts hurting their recruiting of HS kids at QB.
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You would think it's got to be on the minds of every recruit for the next few years.."I'm going to come in, commit to the team, put in my hard work...and then in Spring Ball they may tell me to move back to the second team for some kid coming in out of the ACC?"

Now O'Brien isn't Russel Wilson. He had a fairly bad year last year, albeit his team was horrific. His freshmen year he posted 22TD/8INT I believe? Not bad. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, and although they haven't said officially he'll be the starter, money would say he is, or he would've chosen PSU, Vandy, or Ole Miss.
 
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MavHockey14 said:
You would think it's got to be on the minds of every recruit for the next few years.."I'm going to come in, commit to the team, put in my hard work...and then in Spring Ball they may tell me to move back to the second team for some kid coming in out of the ACC?"
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I'd agree with you, except that UW's top three QBs are down with injuries and they may not be cleared to play by fall.

From ESPN:
The Badgers currently have only two healthy quarterbacks practicing this spring in Joe Brennan and Joel Stave. Neither is proven in games, and there are no guarantees that Jon Budmayr or Curt Phillips will be ready to go by the fall. People will mock Wisconsin for taking another transfer quarterback, but there's really no downside to this move. The Badgers need bodies at the quarterback spot.
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From WSJ/Madison.com
The next two — Curt Phillips in 2008 and Jon Budmayr in 2009 — had their careers derailed by injuries. Phillips (three surgeries on the same knee) and Budmayr (persistent nerve problems in his throwing arm) hope to return, but Bielema would be foolish to count on that. Brennan and Stave were on campus last fall but neither has shown they have what it takes to win in the Big Ten. Freshman-to-be Bart Houston might be UW's most highly rated quarterback recruit ever but any chance he had to compete for the job this fall probably ended with his recent shoulder surgery.
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Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Almington said:
I'd agree with you, except that UW's top three QBs are down with injuries and they may not be cleared to play by fall.

From ESPN:


From WSJ/Madison.com
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Hmm. I knew Houston was hurt and the Budmayr was out this spring, but didn't realize they only had two, I thought they were at three. It's definitely a different situation that bringing in Wilson, and who knows truly if O'Brien will be any good in the Big Ten. It's a good year for him to get his first year under his belt though, with OSU out of the Leaders race.
 
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