2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

8 team playoff, during the first 3 weeks of December. Crown a National Champion. Bowls to be played as they were under the old system as exhibition. There. Everyone's happy.

 

[Priceless]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

8 team playoff, during the first 3 weeks of December. Crown a National Champion. Bowls to be played as they were under the old system as exhibition. There. Everyone's happy.

But then the bowls become meaningless exhibitions, unlike now when they're meaningless exhibitions!

 

[XYZ]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

What's wrong with 32? It's what every other division does (I think).

 

[Almington]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

What's wrong with 32? It's what every other division does (I think).

Depends on how you want to fit the existing bowl structure into any new system. A 4 or 8 team playoff leaves the current bowl system intact, a 32 team playoff would destroy the bowl system.

 

[Priceless]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Depends on how you want to fit the existing bowl structure into any new system. A 4 or 8 team playoff leaves the current bowl system intact, a 32 team playoff would destroy the bowl system.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[XYZ]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

A 4 or 8 team playoff leaves the current bowl system intact, a 32 team playoff would destroy the bowl system.

I'm aware, and also of the difficulties in making changes to this system (see: money shift). But, from a conceptual standpoint I find this +1 or four-team talk rather comical. It's just as pointless. Hence, with no regard for the lack of plausibility of it ever occurring, I say line up 32 and play 'em off.

 

[bigmrg74]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

What's wrong with 32? It's what every other division does (I think).

D3 does a 32 team playoff field, D2 has 24 teams in the playoffs, and D1-AA has 20 I believe in their playoffs I believe.

 

[XYZ]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

D3 does a 32 team playoff field, D2 has 24 teams in the playoffs, and D1-AA has 20 I believe in their playoffs I believe.

Meh, close enough. 32.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

8 team playoff, during the first 3 weeks of December. Crown a National Champion. Bowls to be played as they were under the old system as exhibition. There. Everyone's happy.

When do you start the season then? How many games do you play? Are there conference championship games?

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

There was what 40 days between the conference title games and the BCS title game? There is plenty of time to put in the playoff games there.

 

[bigmrg74]

Meh, close enough. 32.

I would be fairly happy with a sixteen team playoff, but I wouldn't mind it at 24 either. You go to 32 and you're going to be getting some mediocre teams in that are just going to get their taints handed to them. If you do a 24 team playoff, the top eight squads would get a bye, their fans would have that much more time to plan on getting to their stadium, and while say a playoff matchup of say Western Michigan at UCONN might not draw a whole lot of eyeballs on national TV, I would think that they would get a decent bump from the fans of say an Alabama or Texas who gets the winner of that game.

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

... But, from a conceptual standpoint I find this +1 or four-team talk rather comical. It's just as pointless...

It would do at least one important thing. Under the current system, the cut point is between Team #2 and Team #3. The change would move the cut point down to #4 & #5. There will always be complaints from the near-miss teams. But looking back over the years, many major controversies would have been eliminated had there been 4 playoff berths instead of 2.

That, and from a selfish point of view, the Semi-Finals would likely be excellent viewing.

Four teams wouldn't be my first choice. But it would be a large improvement over the status quo.

 

[French Rage]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

It would do at least one important thing. Under the current system, the cut point is between Team #2 and Team #3. The change would move the cut point down to #4 & #5. There will always be complaints from the near-miss teams. But looking back over the years, many major controversies would have been eliminated had there been 4 playoff berths instead of 2.

That, and from a selfish point of view, the Semi-Finals would likely be excellent viewing.

Four teams wouldn't be my first choice. But it would be a large improvement over the status quo.

The first team out will always complain, but they have a lot more standing if they're #3 and possibly undefeated or 1-loss like #1 and/or #2 (as occurs some years), than #69 (or whatever it in bball now) like it is for March Madness, where the general reaction is "yeah maybe you're better than #68 but really if you're down this far you likely weren't going anywhere anyways so stop whining".

 

[pgb-ohio]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

The first team out will always complain, but they have a lot more standing if they're #3 and possibly undefeated or 1-loss like #1 and/or #2 (as occurs some years), than #69 (or whatever it in bball now) like it is for March Madness, where the general reaction is "yeah maybe you're better than #68 but really if you're down this far you likely weren't going anywhere anyways so stop whining".

Exactly.

For an example we need look no further than the just completed season. Using the current rules with a 4 team field, you likely would have had an Alabama/Oklahoma State semi. Again, 4 teams isn't my first choice. But having the Crimson Tide and the Cowboys meet on the field would have been infinitely better than what the 2 team format gave us.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Problem is, under the current poll model it can be very hard to crack that Top 4 if you start too low. Upward trends that high are not what you usually see in the BCS. For example, let's say hell freezes over and the Gophers (who were unranked going into the year) win the Big Ten with 1 loss. I would bet every penny I have they don't rise above 7th in the BCS poll. (assuming maybe 2 undefeated teams) Don't get me wrong I will be happy as hell my team won the conference is playing in a big time bowl game but would it not seem weird for the Big Ten champ was not part of any playoff for the National Title.

Plus with a 4 team playoff you are guaranteeing non BCS conferences have no shot at the title. They might as well just make the Superconference National Title because that is what you will have.

Is it better...I guess. But it does nothing to solve most of the problems that exist within the current system, in fact it just exasperates them. This is an attempt at a quick fix when something bigger is needed starting with a complete working of the BCS polling system. As for the playoff I don't want 24 teams, hell I think even 16 may be too much to start with (though a good goal for down the line) but 8 seems right. With a couple of wild cards at least the lesser schools are playing for a chance. In a 4 team playoff they might as well drop down to D-1AA. (or whatever it is I always get them confused)

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Anyone read this?

Michigan AD says we can't have a playoff because people live in different places and someone might get hurt.

 

[Proud2baLaker]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Problem is, under the current poll model it can be very hard to crack that Top 4 if you start too low. Upward trends that high are not what you usually see in the BCS. For example, let's say hell freezes over and the Gophers (who were unranked going into the year) win the Big Ten with 1 loss. I would bet every penny I have they don't rise above 7th in the BCS poll. (assuming maybe 2 undefeated teams) Don't get me wrong I will be happy as hell my team won the conference is playing in a big time bowl game but would it not seem weird for the Big Ten champ was not part of any playoff for the National Title.

Plus with a 4 team playoff you are guaranteeing non BCS conferences have no shot at the title. They might as well just make the Superconference National Title because that is what you will have.

Is it better...I guess. But it does nothing to solve most of the problems that exist within the current system, in fact it just exasperates them. This is an attempt at a quick fix when something bigger is needed starting with a complete working of the BCS polling system. As for the playoff I don't want 24 teams, hell I think even 16 may be too much to start with (though a good goal for down the line) but 8 seems right. With a couple of wild cards at least the lesser schools are playing for a chance. In a 4 team playoff they might as well drop down to D-1AA. (or whatever it is I always get them confused)

Agree. I say 8 or 12 with 16 being the max (and goal) at some point. When its 8 or 12 teams most of the conference champs will already qualify. Those not already in the top 8 or 12 should still get in if they rank above a certain point in the BCS (really this will be more for the Big East and/or ACC). Non-AQ conferences should get an automatic spot if they rank above a similar point as well. Use BCS to seed the teams.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Problem is, under the current poll model it can be very hard to crack that Top 4 if you start too low. Upward trends that high are not what you usually see in the BCS. For example, let's say hell freezes over and the Gophers (who were unranked going into the year) win the Big Ten with 1 loss. I would bet every penny I have they don't rise above 7th in the BCS poll. (assuming maybe 2 undefeated teams) Don't get me wrong I will be happy as hell my team won the conference is playing in a big time bowl game but would it not seem weird for the Big Ten champ was not part of any playoff for the National Title.

While I agree that would be weird, I'll play a little devil's advocate:

Given the history of the Gophers, I don't think it's completely unfair for there to be some inertia in their poll movement. The difference between a 10-1 champion and a 7-4 also-ran is only 3 games, and while 3 flukes are unlikely, it's certainly not impossible. It would also depend how the rest of the B10 looked that year - did the Gophers rise or did the rest of the conference fall? Etc, etc. Perhaps there's *some* unfair bias there, but at least a good portion of what may appear to be bias is actually rational and justifiable.

 

[J.D.]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

I surmise your lack of interest stems from how we came to the end of it all. Most definitely by the result of the fact we'd already been there and done that. Had Bama-LSU made it to the end via way of at least a 4-team playoff the build-up would have been much greater.

Well, I still had plenty of interest in the BCS title game. It was the other games I didn't really care about.

Oh, I know, and your opinion could be right. But the problem lies in the fact you used your opinion that those were the best two teams as basis for a belief that the system worked. That's merely speculation.

It's all speculation. The people who think Oklahoma State is better than Alabama are speculating and think the system failed.

The most teams I'd want in a playoff are 16 under the format I presented a while back. Every conference champion (even MAC, Sun Belt, etc.) and the top remaining at large teams.

 

[Biddco]

Re: 2011 College Football Part II: Bowls, The Rematch, and Recruiting >Tebow

Joe Pa has died: http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34497800