2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

[Dirty]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Morelli would be perhaps the easiest recruit ever to get. It would be all of 5 seconds. Hakstol calling Mason, telling him UND wants him and Mason committing. He probably already has the letter of intent already filled out.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

I thought my comment was pretty fair. It wasn't meant to be an insult or a knock on your program. UND has been hit especially hard by late decommits from NTDP players. Why have they been hit harder than say the Gophers? Here's another hint: Kristo, Nelson, and Forbort didn't decommit. Why is that?

I did too. Keep at it!

 

[cross cheque]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Keep losing guys before they get to campus and UND might have that issue too.

He's back! Thanks for stopping by the UND thread jackas5!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Ah, yes. Another infection.......................

 

[burd]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Ah, yes. Another infection.......................

That was exactly my thought when I read his post. I think we'd hoped that the "We're so special" thread might create a quarantine ward to isolate the bug, but apparently not. Wait til it mutates to affect car racing and music . . . .

Will we even live to see the puck drop in '12 and, if so, will there be just one conference left?

 

[MadTownSioux]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

USHL futures draft was yesterday. Potential Sioux recruit Mason Morelli (you may remember his grandfather Reg winning the MVP when the Sioux won the 1959 national title, or his dad Matt playing during the late 80's early 90's with Hakstol) was drafted 3rd overall by Fargo. Mason is from Minot, and wants to play for North Dakota. If he develops like many are thinking he could be a very good pickup in a couple of years. He just completed his sophomore year of high school.

Reg was our neighbor in Minot - he owns the big beer distributorship there. My younger brother grew up with Matt and Pat (Twins). There is a big mural of Reggie after he scored the game-winning goal against Michigan State in the NCAA Championship of 1959 in the hall at REA, next to the Sioux store.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Wow. Why the sensativity? It was a simple, honest question about the current discussion. Why is this happening more to UND lately? Does it have anything to do with whom they are recruiting from the NTDP? Does UND stop recruiting from the NTDP as much? You can't honestly say this trend isn't concerning. At some point the late decommits will have an impact.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Wow. Why the sensativity? It was a simple, honest question about the current discussion. Why is this happening more to UND lately? Does it have anything to do with whom they are recruiting from the NTDP? Does UND stop recruiting from the NTDP as much? You can't honestly say this trend isn't concerning. At some point the late decommits will have an impact.

Some of the players weren't even at the NTDP when they committed to UND. It was after they went there that they changed their minds. Many people assume it's the culture and the coaches at the NTDP that are pushing them to the CHL.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Wow. Why the sensativity? It was a simple, honest question about the current discussion. Why is this happening more to UND lately? Does it have anything to do with whom they are recruiting from the NTDP? Does UND stop recruiting from the NTDP as much? You can't honestly say this trend isn't concerning. At some point the late decommits will have an impact.

Hate to say this but I kind of agree that he's got a point. Take out the comparison to the Gophers in his original question and I don't think there would be too many other issues with it. A question posed about the current topic that had nothing to do with what someone may or may not have said.

I feel dirty now.... and not the dirty who was posting earlier. Give me some credit because I know that's what some of you were thinking.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Hate to say this but I kind of agree that he's got a point. Take out the comparison to the Gophers in his original question and I don't think there would be too many other issues with it. A question posed about the current topic that had nothing to do with what someone may or may not have said.

I feel dirty now.... and not the dirty who was posting earlier. Give me some credit because I know that's what some of you were thinking.

Sorry, but the Gopher reference immediately disqualifies the question and the posting.

 

[darker98]

Sorry, but the Gopher reference immediately disqualifies the question and the posting.

This. The question alone would not seem like trolling, but we all know you.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Sorry, but the Gopher reference immediately disqualifies the question and the posting.

I really don't think it does. How many Minnesota kids who attended the NTDP have decommitted? Why do Minnesota kids typically decommit less often? Minnesota's youth model? The fact Minnesota is in WHL and not OHL territory? Other factors?

The Gophers have had pretty good luck with their NTDP kids keeping their commitments, and even UND has had good luck when recruiting MN kids who went to the NTDP.

So, to get back to my original question, is UND recruiting the wrong kids out of the NTDP lately?

 

[SiouxFanatic]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

I really don't think it does. How many Minnesota kids who attended the NTDP have decommitted? Why do Minnesota kids typically decommit less often? Minnesota's youth model? The fact Minnesota is in WHL and not OHL territory? Other factors?

The Gophers have had pretty good luck with their NTDP kids keeping their commitments, and even UND has had good luck when recruiting MN kids who went to the NTDP.

So, to get back to my original question, is UND recruiting the wrong kids out of the NTDP lately?

As I said in my earlier post, which you must've ignored. How about it is the fact that Minnesota kids are in college hockey territory. They are introduced to college hockey right away. They are surrounded by college hockey.

If you call recruiting kids that don't hail from the state you love so much wrong then sure. Sometimes you'll get burned recruiting high caliber recruits. I like it that UND takes risks in recruiting such players cause if they do show up. Awesome.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

As I said in my earlier post, which you must've ignored. How about it is the fact that Minnesota kids are in college hockey territory. They are introduced to college hockey right away. They are surrounded by college hockey.

If you call recruiting kids that don't hail from the state you love so much wrong then sure. Sometimes you'll get burned recruiting high caliber recruits. I like it that UND takes risks in recruiting such players cause if they do show up. Awesome.

Which earlier post?

True, Minnesota kids grow up in a college hockey atmosphere, which may certainly be part of it. I'm sure it's a number of factors that keep most MN kids in college hockey.

And it has nothing to do with recruiting kids "from here" or not "from here". It has everything to do with not getting burned by late decommits, which will have an impact at some point.

Just offering a different perspective.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Sorry, but the Gopher reference immediately disqualifies the question and the posting.

I understand. I wondered about that which is why I pointed it out. Completely unnecessary to the point. That along with his reputation were enough to sink it from the start.

 

[SoCalSiouxFan]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Sioux do a great job of recruiting out of state candidates. Sometimes I wonder how they recruit from the more remote areas of the US and Canada. Imagine its not easy to convince a kid from California to move to North Dakota. But it happens a lot, UND recruits successfully in California for all sports, not just in hockey.

 

[PhatKroger10]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

It's hard to attribute a couple of cases to the entire dilemma. I'm sure each had it's own personal circumstance as to why they decided the CHL would be better for them. I mean, look at Miami, they just lost a NTDP recruit and Tyler Biggs has chosen to leave after one year. It seems to be a trend of sort. The the risk of recruiting NTDP players is that they don't seem to have much of a commitment to education because hockey is the highest priority for them (unlike the guys Minnesota recruits typically out of high school). I don't think this is even a matter of Minnesota vs. North Dakota, but a matter of NCAA vs. CHL. Minnesota and North Dakota have different recruiting strategies, it's open to interpretation to which is more successful (that's a whole different debate). I understand the point you are trying to raise, but it's pretty erroneous to the debate of North Dakota vs. Minnesota.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Sioux do a great job of recruiting out of state candidates. Sometimes I wonder how they recruit from the more remote areas of the US and Canada. Imagine its not easy to convince a kid from California to move to North Dakota. But it happens a lot, UND recruits successfully in California for all sports, not just in hockey.

They entice them with this...

Really not so hard.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I understand. I wondered about that which is why I pointed it out. Completely unnecessary to the point. That along with his reputation were enough to sink it from the start.

Seems I can't win. If I would have come right out and said UND is getting burnt because they're recruiting non-Minnesotan NTDP players, I would have been called provincial (not that I think that's a bad thing, but many here seem to).

Instead, I point out that the gopher program hasn't had as many issues with decommits from NTDP players (letting people arrive at their own conclusions), and some how that is wrong too.

I'm sorry, I realize that hating on me is rather stylish right now, but I thought there would be at least a few people with enough integrity to resist the urge to pile on and actually engage in what is a great discussion. I guess I was wrong about that.

 

[Dirty]

Re: 2011-2012 North Dakota Offseason Thread

Let's try this again:

Just stop responding to him and he'll leave this thread alone. Keep responding and he'll keep replying to you. It's just much easier and quicker to just ignore him as he will then go away. He's the DaveK of the Gopher fanbase, he truly believes what he says no matter how wrong and misguided he is.