2011-12 Schedules

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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That's a great way to start the season. I'm looking forward to the quick trip down 89 to Thompson Arena. Not sure if I'll wear a green hat and a maroon shirt or the other way around. Seen lots of games at Thompson over the years when the Cadets have been away. think I'm going to have to pull for the Cadets on the basis of how cool would it be to open the season with a win against a DI team.

Plus, it would be fun to rib a few friends I have in the Upper Valley who are big Big Green fans (but not alumni).

Doubt I'll have a weekend in October off from Siena Hockey, but if I do I might have to make it out to Dartmouth to root for the DIII team in this matchup

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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How good has that Trois Riveers Team been in the past, should it be a test for the cadets???

I don't know, but I always wanted to go to their street race: http://www.gp3r.com/en.html

 

[Captain Obvious]

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Big news coming out of Neu-mania!
The Knights will open up the 2011-12 season on the road at Princeton on 10/23.

Crazy journey this program has gone through heading into is 14th season of hockey.

I would imagine the rest of the schedule will be out shortly!

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Big news coming out of Neu-mania!
The Knights will open up the 2011-12 season on the road at Princeton on 10/24.

Crazy journey this program has gone through heading into is 14th season of hockey.

I would imagine the rest of the schedule will be out shortly!

Taking a page out of Norwich's book eh?

I wonder if that means the end of the Princeton/Morrisville exhibition series.

Also, a Monday game?

 

[Captain Obvious]

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Taking a page out of Norwich's book eh?

I wonder if that means the end of the Princeton/Morrisville exhibition series.

Also, a Monday game?

Thanks, good catch. I doubled checked with my source, and it is Sunday the 23rd.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Big news coming out of Neu-mania!
The Knights will open up the 2011-12 season on the road at Princeton on 10/23.

Crazy journey this program has gone through heading into is 14th season of hockey.

I would imagine the rest of the schedule will be out shortly!

So Neumann will be playing Princeton on the road, and then host almost 2 weeks later former Princeton coach Gadowsky's ACHA D1 Penn State Icers (Nittany Lions yet?). Nice.

Penn State's NCAA competition this year:
@Neumann 11/4
vs. Fredonia 11/5 (how often do NCAA teams play non-NCAA exhibitions on the road?)

 

[elbojpb]

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The Knights will open up the 2011-12 season on the road at Princeton on 10/23.

I recall Elmira played at Princeton a few times, but the last time (1988?) Elmira lost a couple of guys to serious injuries, which ended that experiment. They also played Huntsville (d2) and Army a number of times, and got physically thrashed. It's an interesting concept, but not without its risks.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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I recall Elmira played at Princeton a few times, but the last time (1988?) Elmira lost a couple of guys to serious injuries, which ended that experiment. They also played Huntsville (d2) and Army a number of times, and got physically thrashed. It's an interesting concept, but not without its risks.

I remember EC also playing Clarkson, Union, and Alaska Fairbanks on top of Don's favorite game when Elmira hosted the Dutch Olympic team in 1980.

 

[altazo]

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SNC played a weekend series at Alaska-Fairbanks about 10 years ago (and Tim Coghlin was offered and declined the Fairbanks job a couple years later). Also, I know UW-River Falls used to play Northern Arizona in the 80's when N. Arizona had a D1 program. I think Middlebury used to play VT on a consistent basis, I was told that series ended because Midd was occasionally winning and that didn't look good for VT (uncertain if this is true or not).

 

[Dyce]

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Many of DIII's more prominent programs have a solid list of DI opponents over the years, usually generated in the 80s through the mid-90s. I just took a quick scan through Plattsburgh's media guide, for example, and found Army, Clarkson (a bunch), UVM (another bunch), Colgate, RPI, BC, St. Lawrence, Maine, both Alaska teams, Princeton, Cornell, and various schools that were "DI in name only" at the time a la UConn (and I'm sure I've missed others).

It just became a lot harder to reconcile the interests of DI and DIII coaches once the DIII schedule was pared to 25 games per season, plus only one exhibition that wouldn't count against that total. Most DIII squads want to use that exhibition the weekend before the regular season, and that's an awkward time to get a commitment from a DI school entering its third or fourth regular-season weekend (and often the beginning of the fall conference schedule). Plus, it's relatively easy to get a CIS team down to play on said weekend. It's been nice to see Princeton's attitude of late, though. Sure, the games are often bloodbaths, but not always, and they're fun regardless.

 

[NUProf]

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plus only one exhibition that wouldn't count against that total.

The only way an exhibition game can be not counted against the 25 is for it to be against a Canadian team, part of a foreign tour, or against one of the NDTs. Games against NCAA or ACHA teams can be called exhibitions or not, but they count against the 25 unless they are designated as a scrimmage - no admission charged, score and statistics not kept. If it is an exhibition the score and statistics are kept, reported, but not counted.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Many of DIII's more prominent programs have a solid list of DI opponents over the years, usually generated in the 80s through the mid-90s. I just took a quick scan through Plattsburgh's media guide, for example, and found Army, Clarkson (a bunch), UVM (another bunch), Colgate, RPI, BC, St. Lawrence, Maine, both Alaska teams, Princeton, Cornell, and various schools that were "DI in name only" at the time a la UConn (and I'm sure I've missed others).

It just became a lot harder to reconcile the interests of DI and DIII coaches once the DIII schedule was pared to 25 games per season, plus only one exhibition that wouldn't count against that total. Most DIII squads want to use that exhibition the weekend before the regular season, and that's an awkward time to get a commitment from a DI school entering its third or fourth regular-season weekend (and often the beginning of the fall conference schedule). Plus, it's relatively easy to get a CIS team down to play on said weekend. It's been nice to see Princeton's attitude of late, though. Sure, the games are often bloodbaths, but not always, and they're fun regardless.

The only way an exhibition game can be not counted against the 25 is for it to be against a Canadian team, part of a foreign tour, or against one of the NDTs. Games against NCAA or ACHA teams can be called exhibitions or not, but they count against the 25 unless they are designated as a scrimmage - no admission charged, score and statistics not kept. If it is an exhibition the score and statistics are kept, reported, but not counted.

For reference, the 2010-2011 NCAA DIII Manual says in bylaw 17.12.5 (and it's subsections, found on p. 154 of the linked PDF) the following:

17.12.5 number of Contests.

17.12.5.1 Maximum Limitations—Institutional. A member institution shall limit its total playing schedule against outside competition during the institution’s ice hockey playing season to a maximum of 25 contests (games or scrimmages), except for those contests excluded under Bylaws 17.12.5.3, 17.12.5.4 and 17.12.5.5.

17.12.5.1.1 In-Season Foreign Competition. A member institution may play one or more of its countable contests in ice hockey in one or more foreign countries on one trip during the prescribed playing season. However, except for contests played in Canada and Mexico or on a certified foreign tour (see Bylaw 17.29), the institution may not engage in such in-season foreign competition more than once every four years.​

17.12.5.2 Maximum Limitations—Student-Athlete. A student-athlete may participate in each academic year in a maximum of 25 contests. This limitation includes those contests in which the student represents the institution, including competition as a member of the varsity, junior varsity or freshman team of the institution in accordance with Bylaws 17.02.4 and 17.02.8.

17.12.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The maximum number of ice hockey contests/dates of competition shall exclude the following (see Figure 17-1):

(a) Conference Championship. Competition in one conference championship tournament in ice hockey (or the tournament used to determine the conference’s automatic entry in an NCAA ice hockey championship);
(b) Conference Playoff. Competition involving member institutions that tie for a conference championship. Such teams may participate in a single-elimination playoff to determine the conference’s automatic entry in the NCAA ice hockey championship without the game(s) being counted as a postseason tournament;
(c) Season-Ending Tournaments. Competition in one season-ending ice hockey tournament (e.g., NCAA championship, NAIA championship). A season-ending tournament involves competition after the end of the regular season between teams that are not identified until the close of that regular season;
(d) Independents Championship. Competition in one championship tournament among independent member institutions (i.e., institutions that are not members of an intercollegiate athletics conference in the specific sport), conducted at the end of the regular season and prior to the NCAA championship;
(e) Alumni Game. One ice hockey contest each year against an alumni team of the institution;
(f) Foreign Team in U.S. One ice hockey contest each year with either a foreign opponent in the United States or with a team that is involved in the USA Hockey National Team Development Program;
(g) U.S. Women’s National Team. Two women’s ice hockey contests against the U.S. national women’s ice hockey team during the season leading up to the Winter Olympics; and
(h) Fundraising Activity. Any ice hockey activities in which student-athletes from more than one of the institution’s athletics teams participate with alumni and friends of the institution or with local celebrities, the purpose of which is to raise funds for the benefit of the institution or other charitable, educational
or nonprofit organizations, provided the student-athletes do not miss classes as a result of their participation.​

17.12.5.4 Once-in-Three-Years Exemption—Foreign Tour. The ice hockey games played on a foreign tour, provided the tour occurs only once in a three-year period and is conducted by the member institution in accordance with the procedures set forth in Bylaw 17.29.

17.12.5.5 Once-in-Four-Years Exemption—Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico. A maximum of four contests on a regular-season trip or a tournament (not to exceed four contests), either against or under the sponsorship of an active member institution located in Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico, scheduled not more than once every four years by a member institution located outside of Hawaii, Alaska or Puerto Rico. This limitation shall not apply to a regular-season conference contest between two members of the same NCAA member conference.​

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So, games against NCAA DI and DII count, games against ACHA count, games against CIS or NTDP teams do not. I find the reference to NAIA Championships in 17.12.5.3 (c) interesting, given that the NCAA is the one not allowing joint membership. A quick look shows similar references in most, if not all, other DIII sports, as well as in the general section at the start of Article 17. Odd, to say the least.

 

[NUProf]

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For reference, the 2010-2011 NCAA DIII Manual says in bylaw 17.12.5 (and it's subsections, found on p. 154 of the linked PDF) the following:

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So, games against NCAA DI and DII count, games against ACHA count, games against CIS or NTDP teams do not. I find the reference to NAIA Championships in 17.12.5.3 (c) interesting, given that the NCAA is the one not allowing joint membership. A quick look shows similar references in most, if not all, other DIII sports, as well as in the general section at the start of Article 17. Odd, to say the least.

There are is a very select group of schools, including the school I taught at before I came to Norwich which are dual members of the NAIA and DIII, and have been grandfathered in to be allowed to continue as such. The language is boilerplate that is included for all DIII sports.

Since I was a Norwich for 30 years, and said school was a dual member back when I left there to come to NU, maybe I should say they were "great grandfathered" in.

 

[Dyce]

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The only way an exhibition game can be not counted against the 25 is for it to be against a Canadian team, part of a foreign tour, or against one of the NDTs. Games against NCAA or ACHA teams can be called exhibitions or not, but they count against the 25 unless they are designated as a scrimmage - no admission charged, score and statistics not kept. If it is an exhibition the score and statistics are kept, reported, but not counted.

Ah, which would make a CIS game an even more enticing option, I suppose. Thanks to you and Nate for the clarification.

 

[CornwallAce]

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There is a rule in D1's AHA that teams are not allowed to play DIII teams? correct? I went to their web page, and can not find a reference to the rule.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

There are is a very select group of schools, including the school I taught at before I came to Norwich which are dual members of the NAIA and DIII, and have been grandfathered in to be allowed to continue as such. The language is boilerplate that is included for all DIII sports.

Since I was a Norwich for 30 years, and said school was a dual member back when I left there to come to NU, maybe I should say they were "great grandfathered" in.

I believe Houghton is one of these schools.

 

[NUProf]

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There is a rule in D1's AHA that teams are not allowed to play DIII teams? correct? I went to their web page, and can not find a reference to the rule.

I don't think so unless it is against the rules for AHA D1's to play AHA DIIIs. There have been a number of instances of AHA DIs being invited to DIII holiday tournaments as fillers when somebody backed out. For example URI played Amherst and Utica in the 2006-2007 edition of the the Times-Argus tournament when a team from the West backed out over the summer.

 

[elbojpb]

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I don't think so unless it is against the rules for AHA D1's to play AHA DIIIs. There have been a number of instances of AHA DIs being invited to DIII holiday tournaments as fillers when somebody backed out. For example URI played Amherst and Utica in the 2006-2007 edition of the the Times-Argus tournament when a team from the West backed out over the summer.

Are you referring the AHA or ACHA?? I believe Houghton is in the transition from NAIA to NCAA, but believe me, they will never play hockey.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I don't think so unless it is against the rules for AHA D1's to play AHA DIIIs. There have been a number of instances of AHA DIs being invited to DIII holiday tournaments as fillers when somebody backed out. For example URI played Amherst and Utica in the 2006-2007 edition of the the Times-Argus tournament when a team from the West backed out over the summer.

I believe he is referring to the Atlantic Hockey Association, and he is correct from what I always hear -- they are not allowed to play a D3 school. It's a conference rule.

Once again, it's all RIT's fault.

 

[NUProf]

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I believe he is referring to the Atlantic Hockey Association, and he is correct from what I always hear -- they are not allowed to play a D3 school. It's a conference rule.

Once again, it's all RIT's fault.

With all due respect to the MAAC/Atlantic Hockey/AHA I get them confused with the ACHA. I think that is a pretty arrogant attitude, why is it that the low major among the DI conferences doesn't allow games against DIII teams, but the mid major conference does?