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2011-12 Schedules

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Dyce said:
I don't see how most of the recent topics bear further discussion, especially since the '10-'11 season is entirely in the books at this point. Plattsburgh's reciprocating NC relationships cause cyclical imbalances (both ways) in its numbers of home and away games. The criteria laid out by the NCAA indicate that Plattsburgh's SOS helped its tournament position, while Utica's hurt its Pool C chances. All of these things were discussed at length back when they were far more relevant.

Where Utica's '11-'12 schedule is concerned, I would suggest that timing might play a role. The SOS situation didn't crystallize as a major uh-oh until late last season; many teams would have all but locked down their schedules by that point. Even if Heenan still happened to have some wiggle room at his end, he would've been hard-pressed to find quality teams still looking for a game. If Utica is going to harden up its NC schedule, then '12-'13 seems to be a more realistic opportunity to do it.
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As for Plattsburgh's schedule: pretty much all of our reciprocating relationships have been in place for a very long time. And the home-away Balance was indeed more "normal" prior to the switch to 3 Primelink hosts instead of 4. It's just that neither team was ever willing to sacrifice their "turn" to host the single game in order to restore normalcy.

As for Utica: while I agree with your logic, SOS (and the apparent inability to travel for NC games, whether it be a coaching decision or an administrative decision) has been an issue for Utica for years. This was not something they suddenly learned about this spring. They know what they're doing when they negotiate these schedules. However, I think that the refusal to commit to travel is a big part of it. Most of the top teams will be looking for, at the very least, a commitment to a return game the following year. As I noted above, however, this does not necessarily mean the coach is being stubborn in his scheduling. It could EASILY be an administrative mandate.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
As for Plattsburgh's schedule: pretty much all of our reciprocating relationships have been in place for a very long time. And the home-away Balance was indeed more "normal" prior to the switch to 3 Primelink hosts instead of 4. It's just that neither team was ever willing to sacrifice their "turn" to host the single game in order to restore normalcy.
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For example, because of the Primelink's odd number of years cycle, NU played Plattsburgh twice, and both games were in Plattsburgh. If NU and Midd meet in the Primelink this year, both games will be in Midd. Since two is a divisor of 4, it worked out better with the rotation of home/away NC games for all three of the permanent Primelink teams when you hosted once in four years.
 
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Like I pointed out, over the past 5 years Utica has only played 11% of their schedule non-conf AWAY games, yet 34% of their schedule has been HOME NC games.

Plattsburgh was 21% Home and 20% away NC....so just because we are heavy loaded one year it obviously equals out....not bad seeing every year Plattsburgh hosts 2 games in the Cardinal Classic too...
 
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Looking @ the Norwich (nee Times-Argus) Tournament and Elmira's schedule, I'm guessing that the first round pairings are Elmira - Fitchburg and Norwich - Morrisville??
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
They know what they're doing when they negotiate these schedules. However, I think that the refusal to commit to travel is a big part of it. Most of the top teams will be looking for, at the very least, a commitment to a return game the following year. As I noted above, however, this does not necessarily mean the coach is being stubborn in his scheduling. It could EASILY be an administrative mandate.
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If you can get 2-3k in the stands for a home game, why the heck would you even consider traveling? $$$ > Road testing your team. Isn't that exactly what Middlebury did for decades? but still managed to make the tourney. Most bottom feeders would jump at the chance to play in front of 2500 fans, even if it isn't at your home rink. UC probably pays part of the travel costs for the visiting team anyways.
 
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elbojpb said:
If you can get 2-3k in the stands for a home game, why the heck would you even consider traveling? $$$ > Road testing your team. Isn't that exactly what Middlebury did for decades? but still managed to make the tourney. Most bottom feeders would jump at the chance to play in front of 2500 fans, even if it isn't at your home rink. UC probably pays part of the travel costs for the visiting team anyways.
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Exactly. I sure they do, just as Utica did travel a lot when they first started just as most schools have done. But when it comes time for selection Sunday err Monday, and we hear the whining of how, why, blah blah blah Utica didn't get in, when they put up NC schedules year after year like the past few they only have themselves to blame. I know what you're saying because Williams wanted to come to Plattsburgh back a few (okay more then a few now) years ago because their team loved playing in front of the crowd....thats one year, not 80/20 over a 5 year span.

So why would you consider traveling? Making your team better maybe? How about going on the road in a hostile environment on a more regular basis so when it comes crunch time, you don't crack under pressure. They have 1 win in the post season in 8 games and 0 in the past 5 seasons.

I'm not sure where you are going with Middlebury, but since the 1999-2000 season Middlebury has played 52% of their NC at home, and 48% of their games on the road. This is also a team who has had a Holiday tournament 8 out of the past 12 years, plays in the Primelink (set schedule) and rotates with Plattsburgh (set schedule) and only has 1 other NC game most years...again I don't have the stats for pre-99.....52/48 is A LOT different then 80/20....even when Plattsburgh was bringing in 3500+ people you would have never seen an 80/20 NC schedule over such a span....and especially with the quality of opponents as you see on that schedule.

I was told that Utica's "scheduling" practices as of late is one of the reasons they will not be joining the SUNYAC....
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
I was told that Utica's "scheduling" practices as of late is one of the reasons they will not be joining the SUNYAC....
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What does Utica's non-conference scheduling have anything to do with joining the SUNYAC and playing their conference schedule?
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
What does Utica's non-conference scheduling have anything to do with joining the SUNYAC and playing their conference schedule?
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Because a weak NC schedule hurts the chances for the rest of the conference getting a Pool C bid - deflates the OOWP for the rest of the league.
That's the only reason that I can think of. The SUNYAC is all about optimizing the chances for Pool C, as seen by their abandonment of the best playoff format around solely for the purpose of enhancing the league's Pool C chances.
 
nuprof said:
because a weak nc schedule hurts the chances for the rest of the conference getting a pool c bid - deflates the oowp for the rest of the league.
That's the only reason that i can think of. The sunyac is all about optimizing the chances for pool c, as seen by their abandonment of the best playoff format around solely for the purpose of enhancing the league's pool c chances.
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bingo!
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
So why would you consider traveling? Making your team better maybe? How about going on the road in a hostile environment on a more regular basis so when it comes crunch time, you don't crack under pressure. They have 1 win in the post season in 8 games and 0 in the past 5 seasons.
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The title of my response has the most likely answer. With some administrations ... money trumps just about everything ... including battle testing your team for the post-season. And I recall only a very vocal minority of the UC supporters whining about the tourney.

PS - The gentleman doth protest too much methinks when it comes to the ECAC/W .. what gives??
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
They were ranked top 10 in Canada.
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That's a great way to start the season. I'm looking forward to the quick trip down 89 to Thompson Arena. Not sure if I'll wear a green hat and a maroon shirt or the other way around. Seen lots of games at Thompson over the years when the Cadets have been away. think I'm going to have to pull for the Cadets on the basis of how cool would it be to open the season with a win against a DI team.

Plus, it would be fun to rib a few friends I have in the Upper Valley who are big Big Green fans (but not alumni).
 
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