2011-12 Minnesota Season Thread (Pride On Ice Returns!)

[goofy gopher]

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Anyone else concerned with Ambroz's play? He took another bad penalty last night. To quote the great Doug Woog "when you have more penalties than points, you are hurting the team." He has eight penalties already in ten games and has three points. He scored his two goals in the first game of the year, so my expectations maybe got a bit too high for him.

 

[Driftryder]

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[Bakunin]

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I was upset with the refs on that because I felt they bought an acting job by Blood. Hansen is in the slot on the PP trying to back in on Blood, Blood gives him two or three serious big time cross checks and then Hansen pushes back, Blood goes flying backwards like Hansen had run him from 20 feet out.

Agreed. That call was pure BS; you don't allow a guy to chop somebody several times in the back (uncalled) and then immediately send a guy to the box for turning around and shoving him.

 

[The Rube]

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Agreed. That call was pure BS; you don't allow a guy to chop somebody several times in the back (uncalled) and then immediately send a guy to the box for turning around and shoving him.

I actually disagree with this. You're in front of the net, crap is gonna happen. It was a stupid penalty for MN to take. It's kinda like holding in the NFL. It (punishment in front of the net) always happens. How often you call it is another matter. I had no problem with the call.

 

[Bakunin]

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Now you're just being an ***hat for the sake of disagreement.

Just because something "always happens" in front of the net doesn't make it a legitimate play, particularly if said play is illegal and occasionally gets called. Crosschecking *is* a penalty, and if Hansen had the good sense to fall forward after the 2nd or 3rd one was delivered, he may have drawn a call since refs are more inclined to penalize a player if somebody drops to the ice. Instead, he gave a modest shove and the defenseman lost his balance and fell (which of course drew the weak call). I am not going to chastise Hansen for shoving a big D-man while battling for position in front of UND's net. He was simply unlucky in the sense that the guy fell backwards like he'd been shot and that the official was dumb enough to call that a penalty while completely ignoring the blatant infractions preceding it.

 

[The Rube]

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Now you're just being an ***hat for the sake of disagreement.

Just because something "always happens" in front of the net doesn't make it a legitimate play, particularly if said play is illegal and occasionally gets called. Crosschecking *is* a penalty, and if Hansen had the good sense to fall forward after the 2nd or 3rd one was delivered, he may have drawn a call since refs are more inclined to penalize a player if somebody drops to the ice. Instead, he gave a modest shove and the defenseman lost his balance and fell (which of course drew the weak call). I am not going to chastise Hansen for shoving a big D-man while battling for position in front of UND's net. He was simply unlucky in the sense that the guy fell backwards like he'd been shot and that the official was dumb enough to call that a penalty while completely ignoring the blatant infractions preceding it.

And I'm not saying Blood DIDN'T deserve a penalty. But Hansen retaliated, Blood fell, and it was called. Legit. If Hansen fell first, a call probably would have been made, and I'd have no problem with that. How it played out, though, I won't say it was a bad call.

 

[mariucci]

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I think the calls were weak for both teams the entire series.. For every iffy call or non-call there was the inevitable followup gift wrapped call.. Both fanbases had plenty of reason to boo the linesman..

Just glad it worked out for the Gophs this time around and they were able to scrape together a couple ugly ones late in the game last night which there's no way that happens last season.

 

[Bakunin]

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And I'm not saying Blood DIDN'T deserve a penalty. But Hansen retaliated, Blood fell, and it was called. Legit. If Hansen fell first, a call probably would have been made, and I'd have no problem with that. How it played out, though, I won't say it was a bad call.

I say the call was terrible because it wasn't much of a shove and wasn't an obvious "retaliation". After the whistle, I could see it being called because then it looks like Hansen is retaliating. Since it happened during play, it looked more like two players jockeying for position with one falling down - that sort of thing happens a lot. If you're letting the chops to the back go, you have to let the shove go as well. To call the shove and ignore the other crap leading to it *during play* is just asinine. Now if the ref really wanted to cover his ***, he could've called the third chop to the back of Hansen and then called Hansen for interference/unsportsmanlike/whatever for the shove.

 

[goldy_331]

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Face it Hoven, you're just wrong. And Mayhem should have had hair.

 

[GopherBigGuy911]

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Anyone else concerned with Ambroz's play? He took another bad penalty last night. To quote the great Doug Woog "when you have more penalties than points, you are hurting the team." He has eight penalties already in ten games and has three points. He scored his two goals in the first game of the year, so my expectations maybe got a bit too high for him.

One name for ya - Matt Demarchi - He was the penalty KING and yet the gophers never lost when he 3 of 4 penalties a game....

 

[johnnypohlfan]

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One name for ya - Matt Demarchi - He was the penalty KING and yet the gophers never lost when he 3 of 4 penalties a game....

I couldn't disagree more. Matt Demarchi played his role perfectly and the team could afford it when he took those penalties. He was their best defensive-defenseman (very underrated, IMO) and the team needed a tough guy like him to do what he did. And more often than not, the penalties he took weren't stupid.

I'm extremely disappointed in Ambroz so far. Too many dumb penalties, and although he's shown flashes of his ability, he disappears for long stretches. There has to be something to the fact that this kid was once so highly rated (wasn't he like the 5th rated prospect in the world at some point?) and he ended up getting drafted in the lower rounds of the NHL draft. That's pretty scary considering there weren't injury concerns as far as I know. If he put off every NHL GM that much that he didn't get drafted until the 5th round, there's something going on with the kid.

All that being said, I hope he turns things around because there are times when he looks great. If he can do that consistently and stop with the stupid penalties, he can be a real contributor to this team.

 

[goldy_331]

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I couldn't disagree more. Matt Demarchi played his role perfectly and the team could afford it when he took those penalties. He was their best defensive-defenseman (very underrated, IMO) and the team needed a tough guy like him to do what he did. And more often than not, the penalties he took weren't stupid.

I'm extremely disappointed in Ambroz so far. Too many dumb penalties, and although he's shown flashes of his ability, he disappears for long stretches. There has to be something to the fact that this kid was once so highly rated (wasn't he like the 5th rated prospect in the world at some point?) and he ended up getting drafted in the lower rounds of the NHL draft. That's pretty scary considering there weren't injury concerns as far as I know. If he put off every NHL GM that much that he didn't get drafted until the 5th round, there's something going on with the kid.

All that being said, I hope he turns things around because there are times when he looks great. If he can do that consistently and stop with the stupid penalties, he can be a real contributor to this team.

Also a big difference when you are taking penalties in your own zone or the neutral zone versus in the offensive zone as Ambroz frequently has done. Many of Dimarchi's calls were when he was forced to cover for his offensive d-pair and he had to take someone down. Many others were like the kind Blood takes to send a message in the d-zone to stay out of the slot.

 

[Steve_MN]

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I think the calls were weak for both teams the entire series.. For every iffy call or non-call there was the inevitable followup gift wrapped call.. Both fanbases had plenty of reason to boo the linesman..

Just glad it worked out for the Gophs this time around and they were able to scrape together a couple ugly ones late in the game last night which there's no way that happens last season.

There were lots of calls they didn't make against both teams that really should have been called, and lots of picky calls that, while technically correct, were really weak, again, against both teams. The biggest problem I had this entire weekend was never knowing what would and wouldn't be called. Other than the ones they absolutely HAD to call (Warning's charge on Saturday, for example... could be used as a textbook example of leaving your feet to get the charge called) it was alway a toss up. Marginal "letter of the law" calls would get made, while tons of holds/interferences that were MUCH worse were let go. Really annoying to try to watch.

 

[gopher wes]

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I'm embarrassed that I lost faith during that game. The last 3 years have really done a number on me. I think from now on I'll believe that this team can win from behind.

Don't be embarrassed, Scoobs. When the Gophers tied it, I was just praying that they escaped with a tie as I thought UND outplayed the Gophers for most of that game and a tie would have been a steal at that point, the fact that they gritted out a win was amazing to me.

I was pretty upset when Hansen took a penalty on the Power Play and negated the advantage. Grimaldi scored 4 on 4 soon after.

As has been discussed, that was a BS penalty.

I was upset with the refs on that because I felt they bought an acting job by Blood. Hansen is in the slot on the PP trying to back in on Blood, Blood gives him two or three serious big time cross checks and then Hansen pushes back, Blood goes flying backwards like Hansen had run him from 20 feet out. Sorry, I'm not buying it. If you're going to let the hacking, chopping, pushing go in the slot, then let it go both ways. Just cause Blood loses his balance doesn't make it a penalty when the cross checks are not a penalty.

Sorry Brent, you are off base on this one and I am in agreement with goldy. That penalty shouldn't get called against Hansen just because Blood acted like a ***** and fell over Dell when Hansen pushed him. There were two BLATANT cross checks on Hansen that go uncalled? Eff that. I don't care how many men short UND is, those should get called. But if they don't go uncalled then Hansen's push should have also gone uncalled.

 

[cross cheque]

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Uscho poll has UMTC as #1, a worst to first turn around from the last couple seasons. After witnessing multiple shutouts and wins without any real influx of talent (not that the recruits aren't talented) is there any question that Mike Guentzel is the man?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Uscho poll has UMTC as #1, a worst to first turn around from the last couple seasons. After witnessing multiple shutouts and wins without any real influx of talent (not that the recruits aren't talented) is there any question that Mike Guentzel is the man?

He is the man. Any doubters can just look at our improved defensive play and the performance of our special teams.

Don't EVER let Mike go again.

 

[mariucci]

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He is the man. Any doubters can just look at our improved defensive play and the performance of our special teams.

Don't EVER let Mike go again.

Amen!! Look at the Gophs disappearance when he left, UNO's succcess last season and their quick decline when he left.. After awhile coincedence has to be thrown out the window. Guentzel is THEE man!!

 

[jrthomer]

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There were lots of calls they didn't make against both teams that really should have been called, and lots of picky calls that, while technically correct, were really weak, again, against both teams. The biggest problem I had this entire weekend was never knowing what would and wouldn't be called. Other than the ones they absolutely HAD to call (Warning's charge on Saturday, for example... could be used as a textbook example of leaving your feet to get the charge called) it was alway a toss up. Marginal "letter of the law" calls would get made, while tons of holds/interferences that were MUCH worse were let go. Really annoying to try to watch.

The only sure good thing about the upcoming Big Ten Conference is that we won't have to deal with the FROGS (Friends & Relatives of Greg Shepard) anymore. Maybe I'll end up eating my words, but I don't think the Big Ten could put together a worse officiating system if they tried.

 

[mariucci]

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The only sure good thing about the upcoming Big Ten Conference is that we won't have to deal with the FROGS (Friends & Relatives of Greg Shepard) anymore. Maybe I'll end up eating my words, but I don't think the Big Ten could put together a worse officiating system if they tried.

I dunno, did ya hear Big 10's slobberfest over Shep and crew? I hope you didn't just jinx us

 

[jrthomer]

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i dunno, did ya hear big 10's slobberfest over shep and crew? I hope you didn't just jinx us

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