2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

[Slasher7]

Re: 2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

So in one breath recruiting at Maine has fallen off because there are no more Kariya's. And in the next breath, the last Kariya was a horrible player. Okkkkkk.



You could say that about...ummm...everyone that's ever played at BC, offensively.

I'm sure Gionta, Leetch, or even Kobasew could score 10+ points in an exhibition game, too if they still counted towards stats. No big deal.

 

[Priceless]

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I'm sure Gionta, Leetch, or even Kobasew could score 10+ points in an exhibition game, too if they still counted towards stats. No big deal.

Paul didn't score 10+ points in an exhibition game. Chris Ferraro notched six, but PK didn't get that many. He got six points against Northeastern, a Hockey East rival. All three Kariyas had six-point games. None of them were in exhibitions.

 

[Slasher7]

Re: 2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

Paul didn't score 10+ points in an exhibition game. Chris Ferraro notched six, but PK didn't get that many. He got six points against Northeastern, a Hockey East rival. All three Kariyas had six-point games. None of them were in exhibitions.

Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

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Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

... Recruiting is alot different then it was 10 years ago and more...things that factor in now a days...location,who's behind the bench,who's pitching on the Recruiting trail and how the program develops players to move onto Pro Careers and the biggie...you have to keep a winning Program...being in the Conference Playoffs,making the NCAA's and being on TV. As far as the Kariya's,and thats ALL 3...they could have played for any Div.1 Program and played with there Zest & Flair...all 3 had a strong work ethic which would have bode well with any program at any time...20 years ago/10 years ago or now a days.

 

[BobF]

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Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

Jean Yves was overlooked by everyone and it was someone in Montgomery's family that mentioned him. Ingraham went to Air Force and struggled with grades and was looking for a landing spot. Nyquist is the best recruit Maine has had since Paul Kariya, bar none! You lose all credibility when you compare Gustav and Cal. Cal was a great complementary player, not a leader, Nyquist is someone you build a team around. No question recruiting suffered for about 4 years with Grant not getting his usual crop and then the transition to Guy for a year and now Kerluke and Corkum. But last few years have provided Maine with optimism. No we're not getting the blue chippahs, but it's a much better crop.

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

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Jean Yves was overlooked by everyone and it was someone in Montgomery's family that mentioned him. Ingraham went to Air Force and struggled with grades and was looking for a landing spot. Nyquist is the best recruit Maine has had since Paul Kariya, bar none! You lose all credibility when you compare Gustav and Cal. Cal was a great complementary player, not a leader, Nyquist is someone you build a team around. No question recruiting suffered for about 4 years with Grant not getting his usual crop and then the transition to Guy for a year and now Kerluke and Corkum. But last few years have provided Maine with optimism. No we're not getting the blue chippahs, but it's a much better crop.

Maine is starting to get the B+ "Blue Chippahs" again (Ouellette, Gingras, Rutt, Morgan). The Grade A "Blue Chippahs" will go to the BCs, BUs, Michigans, and Wisconsins of the world 95% of the time. Maine needs to win the recruiting battles with the UNHs, Vermonts, UMass's, and Northeasterns of the world.

 

[Priceless]

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Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

The 1992-93 team was once in a lifetime. That type of talent will never be assembled again. We had guys in the press box who would have been starters elsewhere. We were better with four skaters than other teams with five - into February we had scored more goals short-handed than we had given up on the power play. No one is getting recruits like Paul or Jimmy. PK won the Hobey as a 17/18 year old freshman and Jimmy was the highest scorer in the history of the Eastern game. JY was a firefighter who was only noticed because Jimmy's dad mentioned him. He went on to become the most prolific goal-scorer in team history - and he gave up his senior year to go pro with the Rangers. Can you imagine how good that 92-93 team would have been if he had stuck around?

The college game has changed a lot since then. Several of the kids are choosing a different path to the NHL (hello, Cindy Crosby) and there are more programs that can be considered top flight now. The talent pool is watered down and super teams are a thing of the past. No way a Holy Cross, Bemidji State or RIT even gets a sniff out of games against the Maine/Michigan/Minnesota/BU teams of yesteryear.

 

[dwollstadt]

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Jean Yves was overlooked by everyone and it was someone in Montgomery's family that mentioned him. Ingraham went to Air Force and struggled with grades and was looking for a landing spot. Nyquist is the best recruit Maine has had since Paul Kariya, bar none! You lose all credibility when you compare Gustav and Cal. Cal was a great complementary player, not a leader, Nyquist is someone you build a team around. No question recruiting suffered for about 4 years with Grant not getting his usual crop and then the transition to Guy for a year and now Kerluke and Corkum. But last few years have provided Maine with optimism. No we're not getting the blue chippahs, but it's a much better crop.

It's also appropriate, particularly in the context of this discussion, to remember that Shawn recruited Jean Yves only after he lost the recruiting battle for Tony Amonte, who decided to go to BU.

 

[AMC]

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Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

If you are comparing every Maine team to that Pellerin/Roy/Montgomery/Kariya era and finding them lacking, then every single BC team that has ever laced up skates has been just as awful. No team before or since has been close, and no team ever will be.

 

[mainetwentytwelve]

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Short interview with Ouellette. Mentions Maine towards the end of the clip.

His is the 6th video down on the right side
http://bluejackets.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=701&id=73547

 

[lewylew]

Re: 2010 Maine offseason: a lazy summer on the Stillwater

Ok, but to the bigger point, Maine hasn't been getting the top flight kids like they used to. As good as Nyquist, House, Penner, etc are, if you think they are as good as Kariya, Montgomery, Ingraham, Yves-Roy, etc, well, as they say in Georgia "God bless your heart"...

Go ahead and gloat. As the pendulum swings, so does the success of various college hockey programs in Hockey East. Maintaining what York has accomplished at BC is harder than building it. Up until his death, Walsh maintained it better than anyone and had it set up for success well into the future.

 

[Onion Man]

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Go ahead and gloat. As the pendulum swings, so does the success of various college hockey programs in Hockey East. Maintaining what York has accomplished at BC is harder than building it. Up until his death, Walsh maintained it better than anyone and had it set up for success well into the future.

I dont remember reading anything about Mr. York resorting to violating NCAA rules to "maintain" his success like Mr. Walsh did. Comparing Boston College's success to Maine's success is sidesplitting.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Maintaining what York has accomplished at BC is harder than building it.

I would STRONGLY disagree with that statement. Maintaining a high-level college program in any college sport is far easier than building a program up. Success breeds success. Getting there is the tough part. Then your program is at the top, recruits start coming in, facilities are improved and the success continues. The toughest thing to deal with in college sports is the departure of a coach (obviously something Maine fans know about...). Beforehand, you have to convince recruits to come to your program that is nowhere near the top. Not easy (unless you break some NCAA rules).

For the rest of the conversation, sure NO ONE is getting a Paul Kariya anymore. Duh. But the point still stands, that Maine isn't getting the elite prospects that DO COME TO THE NCAA. As sandiego points out, Maine is not getting what BC brings in (a lot of the top recruits in all of college), but more like B to B+ recruits at best.

 

[Priceless]

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It's also appropriate, particularly in the context of this discussion, to remember that Shawn recruited Jean Yves only after he lost the recruiting battle for Tony Amonte, who decided to go to BU.

Shut your mouth! Shawn never lost a recruiting battle with Jack! Just because Shawn was sitting in Travis' driveway with coffee and doughnuts waiting for the recruiting deadline to pass and Travis eventually chose BU does not mean Shawn lost that recruiting fight. Shawn and Grant got every A+ recruit they ever wanted...Timmay can only get D recruits.

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

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...Timmay can only get D recruits.

Sure seemed that way for a couple of years!

 

[walrus]

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It's also appropriate, particularly in the context of this discussion, to remember that Shawn recruited Jean Yves only after he lost the recruiting battle for Tony Amonte, who decided to go to BU.

Not a bad trade, Jean Yves was fun to watch.

I wonder if Tim has had any of those, lost a good recruit, got a good recruit?

 

[Priceless]

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Not a bad trade, Jean Yves was fun to watch.

I wonder if Tim has had any of those, lost a good recruit, got a good recruit?

First he'd have to have a good recruit.

 

[acs64]

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For the rest of the conversation, sure NO ONE is getting a Paul Kariya anymore. Duh. But the point still stands, that Maine isn't getting the elite prospects that DO COME TO THE NCAA. As sandiego points out, Maine is not getting what BC brings in (a lot of the top recruits in all of college), but more like B to B+ recruits at best.

Of course not. Maine has never recruited diving midgets. Its one form of hawkey I guess, and BC has had success withit. Maine's mantra has always been puck control whenever possible, not racecar hockey and net diving. Someone as obsessed with the Bearz as you ought to realize that.

 

[KnowItAll]

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First he'd have to have a good recruit.

or not coached all hockey sense out of him once he got there

 

[Priceless]

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TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING: Signed D Brett Clark to a two-year contract.