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Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
No suspension for Chara, according to tweet by Renaud Lavoie.
No suspension for Chara, according to tweet by Renaud Lavoie.
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2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
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Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
Max Pacioretty suffered a severe concussion and a fracture of the fourth cervical vertebrae when he was hit into the stanchion by Boston defenseman Zdeno Chara on Tuesday night.
His vertebrae is not displaced, according to coach Jacques Martin, but Pacioretty will remain under observation at the hospital. It is almost certain that he won't play again this season, but his career could be in jeopardy as well.
-Montreal Gazette
Max Pacioretty suffered a severe concussion and a fracture of the fourth cervical vertebrae when he was hit into the stanchion by Boston defenseman Zdeno Chara on Tuesday night.
His vertebrae is not displaced, according to coach Jacques Martin, but Pacioretty will remain under observation at the hospital. It is almost certain that he won't play again this season, but his career could be in jeopardy as well.
-Montreal Gazette
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
From Bob McKenzie:
From Bob McKenzie:
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
That's unfortunate.
That's unfortunate.
bronconick
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We're going to end up with a dead body on the ice at some point real soon. Then all these decisions by the NHL to by and large slap wrists as long as you're not Trevor Gilles is going to come back and bite the league in the ***. They were lucky on that front last night. They were lucky with Steve Moore, though Bertuzzi and the Canucks' wallets might still not think so when that finally finishes up.
We're going to end up with a dead body on the ice at some point real soon. Then all these decisions by the NHL to by and large slap wrists as long as you're not Trevor Gilles is going to come back and bite the league in the ***. They were lucky on that front last night. They were lucky with Steve Moore, though Bertuzzi and the Canucks' wallets might still not think so when that finally finishes up.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
I have watched it a few more times, and I have done a complete 180 on my stance. Chara is not looking up ice the entire time. He knows where the stanchion is, and he wants to finish his hit late. No suspension is a real shame. I don't think he wanted the result at all, but tough **** don't be a stupid dink and shove someone at that moment. The lack of respect for other players, scratch that, human beings, is beginning to astound me.
I have watched it a few more times, and I have done a complete 180 on my stance. Chara is not looking up ice the entire time. He knows where the stanchion is, and he wants to finish his hit late. No suspension is a real shame. I don't think he wanted the result at all, but tough **** don't be a stupid dink and shove someone at that moment. The lack of respect for other players, scratch that, human beings, is beginning to astound me.
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
The entire time? You make it sound like it was longer than 2 seconds. I counter you with this. When he hits the stanchion, Chara keeps going forward like he is finishing the hit.
The entire time? You make it sound like it was longer than 2 seconds. I counter you with this. When he hits the stanchion, Chara keeps going forward like he is finishing the hit.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...-on-NHL-to-take-Pacioretty-hit-seriously.html
For the record, I'm hoping that the next update on Pacioretty will be better news...
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...-on-NHL-to-take-Pacioretty-hit-seriously.html
For the record, I'm hoping that the next update on Pacioretty will be better news...
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
What the hell does that prove? I see him looking towards the bench until he makes contact and shoves him, then he looks up and continues on his way.
If he truly didn't know where he or Max or the stanchion was, which you aren't going to convince me of, then he should still get a suspension for being an idiot and potentially ending someone's career because of it.
What the hell does that prove? I see him looking towards the bench until he makes contact and shoves him, then he looks up and continues on his way.
If he truly didn't know where he or Max or the stanchion was, which you aren't going to convince me of, then he should still get a suspension for being an idiot and potentially ending someone's career because of it.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
We're trying to crawl into the mind of 7 foot tall Slovakian man.
I'm not sure why Chara wasn't suspended - obviously I'm biased - but it seems like he should have been. That doesn't do Pacioretty any good and suspensions after the fact weren't going to help Savard, Brashear or Moore either.
We're trying to crawl into the mind of 7 foot tall Slovakian man.
I'm not sure why Chara wasn't suspended - obviously I'm biased - but it seems like he should have been. That doesn't do Pacioretty any good and suspensions after the fact weren't going to help Savard, Brashear or Moore either.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
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Look, contact is part of the game. Players know that injury is a risk and part of the game. I agree 100% with the statement from the NHL on their decision not to suspend Chara. Look, if you dont like the physical play...figure skating is on ABC from time to time. Feel free to tune in.
Id like to see something constructive come out of this. Possibly the redesign of that area so its not so square. Its the 21st century. Foam isnt going to cut it.
Look, contact is part of the game. Players know that injury is a risk and part of the game. I agree 100% with the statement from the NHL on their decision not to suspend Chara. Look, if you dont like the physical play...figure skating is on ABC from time to time. Feel free to tune in.
Id like to see something constructive come out of this. Possibly the redesign of that area so its not so square. Its the 21st century. Foam isnt going to cut it.
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state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
You are right. Let's not hold players accountable for knowing where they are on the ice therefore potentially putting someone in a defenseless position into the hospital. A slapper to the face is an acceptable risk. Catching an edge on your way down and tearing up your knee is an acceptable risk. Bumps and bruises or even sprains and breaks from a clean hit is an acceptable risk. Someone not paying attention and sending you headlong into a partition and breaking your neck, sorry. Not buying it.
You are right. Let's not hold players accountable for knowing where they are on the ice therefore potentially putting someone in a defenseless position into the hospital. A slapper to the face is an acceptable risk. Catching an edge on your way down and tearing up your knee is an acceptable risk. Bumps and bruises or even sprains and breaks from a clean hit is an acceptable risk. Someone not paying attention and sending you headlong into a partition and breaking your neck, sorry. Not buying it.
aparch
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Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
So if Crosby cannot play in the NHL ever again, should Steckel be suspended for being an idiot?
Wait, what?!?
So if Crosby cannot play in the NHL ever again, should Steckel be suspended for being an idiot?
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I'm really torn on this. The one thing I've learned watching a lot of hockey at ice level is that the game appears much faster at ice level than it does watching it on tv. These guys are used to it, of course, but Chara doesn't know which way Max is going to turn, how fast he's going to keep moving his feet, etc. I've seen my own son get tossed from a hockey game in Toronto as a first year peewee for hitting from behind when the kid turned at the last minute and my son couldn't stop.......he was responsible for that play and made a mistake, although he wouldn't intentionally hurt a fly. The kid wasn't hurt so life moved on and my son learned to be more careful when players are turning near the boards. What happens though when someone's life is permanently altered, even if there's no intent?
The thing that bothered me about the Chara play was the follow through with his arms, if he kept his hands down I wouldn't have an argument with no suspension. But having heard universal agreement that it was a clear interference penalty, then the exceedingly bad outcome does matter to me (just my opinion, others may disagree). I would have given him 2-4 games if it was up to me, reflecting that Chara is a clean player historically but this was an ugly play that has consequences. I don't think for a second that Chara drove him into the glass extension, that's Matt Cooke bush league stuff, literally inhuman. All of this is just personal opinion of course.
Some say that we're going to end up with a fatality at some point........that may be true. I'm not sure if longer suspensions are the solution versus more fundamental rule changes? The game is so fast. Players can ease up in many situations (and I've heard that Chara does ease up often, when opponents are obviously vulnerable), but if you're trying to make an aggressive play and the play changes quickly, I'm not sure that it's a black and white issue other than to say that players are responsible for their actions. I don't see an obvious solution.
Best wishes to Max, I'm praying for a complete recovery without lingering issues.
I'm really torn on this. The one thing I've learned watching a lot of hockey at ice level is that the game appears much faster at ice level than it does watching it on tv. These guys are used to it, of course, but Chara doesn't know which way Max is going to turn, how fast he's going to keep moving his feet, etc. I've seen my own son get tossed from a hockey game in Toronto as a first year peewee for hitting from behind when the kid turned at the last minute and my son couldn't stop.......he was responsible for that play and made a mistake, although he wouldn't intentionally hurt a fly. The kid wasn't hurt so life moved on and my son learned to be more careful when players are turning near the boards. What happens though when someone's life is permanently altered, even if there's no intent?
The thing that bothered me about the Chara play was the follow through with his arms, if he kept his hands down I wouldn't have an argument with no suspension. But having heard universal agreement that it was a clear interference penalty, then the exceedingly bad outcome does matter to me (just my opinion, others may disagree). I would have given him 2-4 games if it was up to me, reflecting that Chara is a clean player historically but this was an ugly play that has consequences. I don't think for a second that Chara drove him into the glass extension, that's Matt Cooke bush league stuff, literally inhuman. All of this is just personal opinion of course.
Some say that we're going to end up with a fatality at some point........that may be true. I'm not sure if longer suspensions are the solution versus more fundamental rule changes? The game is so fast. Players can ease up in many situations (and I've heard that Chara does ease up often, when opponents are obviously vulnerable), but if you're trying to make an aggressive play and the play changes quickly, I'm not sure that it's a black and white issue other than to say that players are responsible for their actions. I don't see an obvious solution.
Best wishes to Max, I'm praying for a complete recovery without lingering issues.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
Not the same. Crosby turns into him.
Not the same. Crosby turns into him.
aparch
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Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
What I want to know is why are we discussing Chara/Pacioretty with such fervor yet the Ben Lovejoy hit on Tyler Ennis, which ENDS WITH ENNIS HITTING A STANCHION IN THE GLASS is being ignored.
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Oh, right. Because Ennis wasn't wheeled off on a stretcher. Got it.
What I want to know is why are we discussing Chara/Pacioretty with such fervor yet the Ben Lovejoy hit on Tyler Ennis, which ENDS WITH ENNIS HITTING A STANCHION IN THE GLASS is being ignored.
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Oh, right. Because Ennis wasn't wheeled off on a stretcher. Got it.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: 2010-2011 NHL Season Part II - Concussions Are Serious Business, Savvy?
Maybe it's because Ennis was hit almost ten feet before the stanchion, and Chara finishes his hit right next to it?
I am not saying Chara should be treated like Bertuzzi or McSorely here. I am saying two or three games.
Maybe it's because Ennis was hit almost ten feet before the stanchion, and Chara finishes his hit right next to it?
I am not saying Chara should be treated like Bertuzzi or McSorely here. I am saying two or three games.
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