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2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

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You guys crack me up. I thought the education in Minnesota was supposed to be good. Good enough to read part of the post anyway I guess. If you can point out to me how I said it was all about the officials without mention of any problems by the Packers then you'll get my full written apology. I'd now crack you but I'm laughing to hard at you right now to do so. Sorry if I'm not taking the bait.
I'll let Slap Shot answer that for me...:D

I'm mostly having some fun with you, but to be clear the officiating wouldn't be key were it not to play a major part in the game. Here's a novel concept - perhaps GB was called for more penalties because the Vikings DL beat the crap out of the GB OL? :)
 
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I'm mostly having some fun with you, but to be clear the officiating wouldn't be key were it not to play a major part in the game. Here's a novel concept - perhaps GB was called for more penalties because the Vikings DL beat the crap out of the GB OL? :)
That had an impact. That didn't explain some shoddy spots, secondary penalties, and missed holds when the Vikings had the ball, but it no doubt had impact.
 
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I'm just too mellow to throw the crackback on you. I'll just ask you to please quote the entire post next time if you are going to try and crack me. I know you can do better. I've seen it. Did the officials cost the Packers the game? No. Did they officiate it objectively? No. 2 different issues.

Welcome to the world the Vikings fans lived in when you had Favre...the officials have always sided with his team (see also: Brady, Tom) especially at home. The rest of the league isnt going to shed tears for you because you have to now experience the same crap we did.
 
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Welcome to the world the Vikings fans lived in when you had Favre...the officials have always sided with his team (see also: Brady, Tom) especially at home. The rest of the league isnt going to shed tears for you because you have to now experience the same crap we did.

In reference to (see: Brady, Tom), you only have to look at the roughing the passer penalty this week to fully understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU
 
Well. There was no pressure on the Packers for this one. It was up to the Vikings to hold serve.

Perhaps, but consider the Packers knew a loss would put them 2 back of the Vikings, one back of the Bears, and the way many Packers players were talking they needed this one not only for Rogers but because of Favre being in purple. Not to mention Favre has already established his legacy while Rogers has yet to win a game of any significance. I'd say the pressure was fairly even both ways, although it's not a major point of contention. :)

btw don't let my comments convey a feeling of "I'm a Favre guy". I've accepted him being here, hope he does well and helps the team (which I do believe are his true intentions), but it's still bizarre as hell. :p

That will change in a few weeks. Hopefully the wear down will start for the old man by then so we get to enjoy part of it in person and not just wait for late December and the playoffs.

Hopefully not, on the flip side if Favre stays in the lineup GB better get their OL in order or the game at Lambeau may not mean as much as it looked like it would.
 
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Nice to see that you guys are taking it all (relatively) lightly.

I'm still livid.

Mrs. EoDS had to calm me down several times last night because I was getting so angry with what I was watching that I was scaring the cat and the dog.

Granted, I'm still really ticked off, but everyone gets an F in my book. EVERYONE. A payroll of $110 million? They should pay us that much money for having to watch this team.

That's the worst offenSIEVE line I've ever seen in the pro game. A-Rodge may be cool as a cucumber and full of class, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to make a dozen mistakes in a game where you give the defense a free pass to his pocket.

While I'll give credit to Rodgers for making the most of the turd sandwich his teammates were giving him (and so does that one bastard at ESPN), he still gets his share of the blame for throwing the ball away no more than three times the whole game. Hold an open audition for those starting spots on the O-Line. I don't care if you end up with a rookie or Scanner Dan in a starting spot, you can't get worse than what's out there.

What's with this defense? Dom Capers was supposed to introduce us to the wonderful world of the unpredictable blitzing packages, and we can't put any pressure on He Who Must Not Be Named? How many passing downs did we only rush three? Capers played prevent defense from the beginning of the game. Favre had that game on a silver platter. Sage Rosenfels could have won that game with what we were showing the Vikings.

And now its going to be a whole month of meely mouthed *******es whining about the Favre trade and listening to Favre-first fans run their mouth. And I have to be at a wedding in Minnesota on the 24th. And the Bride, and her whole family, are die hard Vikings fans. They may be dear old friends of my family, but I have a feeling I'm going to have a long weekend of bull**** to deal with, and there's nothing I can do about it. Isn't that just ****ing great?

Now, if you would excuse me, I need to get back to making pipe bombs that I can throw at whomever tossed that game-altering pass interference call on Woodson.
 
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And now its going to be a whole month of meely mouthed *******es whining about the Favre trade and listening to Favre-first fans run their mouth. And I have to be at a wedding in Minnesota on the 24th. And the Bride, and her whole family, are die hard Vikings fans. They may be dear old friends of my family, but I have a feeling I'm going to have a long weekend of bull**** to deal with, and there's nothing I can do about it. Isn't that just ****ing great?

Yes.

Whether it was PI on Woodson or not doesn't matter as the Packers were also offsides on that play.
 
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Welcome to the world the Vikings fans lived in when you had Favre...the officials have always sided with his team (see also: Brady, Tom) especially at home. The rest of the league isnt going to shed tears for you because you have to now experience the same crap we did.

In reference to (see: Brady, Tom), you only have to look at the roughing the passer penalty this week to fully understand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnmGSMccDuU

Strange how you two were eerily quiet when Trent Edwards got the same calls a month ago.
 
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Now, if you would excuse me, I need to get back to making pipe bombs that I can throw at whomever tossed that game-altering pass interference call on Woodson.

I could not let this one go. You can complain about that call all you want, and I think it was a bad call, but everyone keeps forgetting the offsides call. The offsides was declined because of the pass interference call. So even if they hadn't made that call, the Packers still would not have gotten the ball.
 
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I could not let this one go. You can complain about that call all you want, and I think it was a bad call, but everyone keeps forgetting the offsides call. The offsides was declined because of the pass interference call. So even if they hadn't made that call, the Packers still would not have gotten the ball.

Correct. Everyone seems to be forgetting that. The offsides made it a free play for Minnesota, no matter what.
 
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Surprisingly, I haven't seen that play. Find a clip of it. :cool:

I'll try, but the Pats were called for two roughing the passer calls on the Monday Night Football. Unless the refs were confused and thought Trent Edwards was Tom Brady, it would appear that this rule sucks across the board...

I just find it amusing how everyone assumes that the Pats are the Lakers of the NFL. Phil Jackson is MUCH more entertaining than our coach and Brady hasn't been caught in a Denver hotel room. Yet.
 
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Welcome to the world the Vikings fans lived in when you had Favre...the officials have always sided with his team (see also: Brady, Tom) especially at home. The rest of the league isnt going to shed tears for you because you have to now experience the same crap we did.
Disclaimer - To be clear, I'm analyzing the officiating from the standpoint of whether it was any good and not whether it made a difference in who won and lost the game. I'm probably fair to a fault when it comes to officiating because I've worked so many games in my life in many different sports. On the flip side, working for the team for many year's I'll just say I've seen too much not to be extremely skeptical, which stinks because it doesn't match up with my largely trusting personality and my love of truly fair competition.

Now, on to some of the things being kicked around. I fully expected penalties if they were getting near him. Unfortunately, the Packers treated him as if he was still on their practice field wearing the traditional red jersey and never made this an issue. Just like I'll point out when my favorite team got hosed, I'll fully admit he got some really weak calls in his favor once he established himself as an elite player. The NFL protects QBs at all costs and it's worse with future Hall of Famers.

I wasn't upset about the penalties called on Packers. Specifically the ones on offense. They were pretty much legit. I know some are upset about the interference call on Woodson, but I've largely given up on these types of issues. Should this be interference in a physical game like professional football? Not a chance, but I don't blame this crew. This is an NFL thing. They want any hint of contact in the secondary called. The NFL is one step away from instituting a penalty for covering to closely, so complaining about secondary penalties is an exercise in futility.

I was just annoyed by what wasn't called on the Vikings. What was and wasn't a hold was completely dependent on which team had the ball. If you think I'm full of crap, check Minnesota's first offensive play if you still have the game on DVR. Peterson ran to the left for about 7 yards. Tramon Williams (#38) was lined up on the slot WR who in the process of blocking grabbed him above the shoulder and had his jersey pulled up so high we saw the bottom half of his back. It was right at the point of attack and as Peterson was near him Williams actually got turned away. In calling a couple of penalties on the Packers during their first offensive series and letting this go right off the bat it really set the tone. It was going to be over one way or another.

Slap Shot, you questioned my statement about who had the pressure last night. It is true they aren't mathematically in control of their own destiny at this point, but it's a long season and I don't think falling 2 games behind is a big deal this early. The pressure was going to be on the home team to hold serve. They didn't want to lose that home game and then go on the road to try and earn a split. They got the win they were expected to get and the pressure now shifts in a big way for next month.

On something unrelated to officiating, has anyone heard any updates on the health of the Vikings' QB? That one time Kampman tackled him semi-gently he could have fallen awkwardly and bruised.

I'm in no way angry or bitter, but I am simply sick of the main subject of last night's game. If he comes back someday to get enshrined in the Packers' Hall of Fame and gets up on the ring of honor, that's fine. If he never sets foot in the state of Wisconsin again and they give #4 to a punter, that's fine as well. I'll make no special effort to attend or avoid any of this. I just hope he goes away as soon as possible because I'm sick of the story and I refuse to join the entire staff at ESPN as they simultaneously kiss his beanbag. I've said this before, but if it was this bad for all of these years I sincerely apologize to fans of other teams who had to endure this circus. My next post will follow shortly and it will be looking forward.
 
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Is anyone else interested in what may happen over the bye week with the team just not clicking? It isn't like any of the other sports where blockbuster trades are made, but early in the bye week they do a lot of self-scouting and take a long look to evaluate some guys and see if they can't find a way to upgrade or at least give someone else a chance where somebody just isn't working out.

Brandon Jackson and Clifton will be back and their skillsets have been missed, but this won't cure everything. They brought in a bunch of OT's last week, including former top 10 pick of the Bengals Levi Jones. I don't know what he has to offer, but I do know what the current roster is offering and I see little downside in considering a guy with some physical talent. If Blackmon's injury is bad they might be looking at a DB as well. If they need a roster spot, the 3 fullback situation may be a place to look. This is largely a waste. I know they hoped someone would need one and offer a trade, but that reminds me of a guy in my fantasy football league who drafted 3 kickers figuring someone would need to come to him when they had a bye situation. Adequate fullbacks are a disposable commodity in this league.
 
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to all you Green Bay whiners out there complaining about penalties...realistically, in football, every single play has a holding penalty or a pass interference penalty or...or...really? Are we going to start saying "well on x play the Vikings fullback had his thumbs up in the shoulder pads of the Packer linebacker."?

Just suck it up. Your team lost. Woodson may not have interfered, but a lineman jumped outside. Had that interference not be called, the play still would have been negated. They did it again the very next play!

Get over it you whiny whores.
 
Re: 2009 Green Bay Packers - NFC North the 3-4 way

to all you Green Bay whiners out there complaining about penalties...realistically, in football, every single play has a holding penalty or a pass interference penalty or...or...really? Are we going to start saying "well on x play the Vikings fullback had his thumbs up in the shoulder pads of the Packer linebacker."?

Just suck it up. Your team lost. Woodson may not have interfered, but a lineman jumped outside. Had that interference not be called, the play still would have been negated. They did it again the very next play!

Get over it you whiny whores.

Oh get off your high horse. Vikings fans typically have too much sand in the vag, but I think in your case, you have Daytona Beach in your drawers. I have heard and seen you people ***** about sooo much more. There are at least THREE occasions I can think of when the Packers d-lineman's jersey was coming off. Yes, there is holding on every play. I used to play offensive line(in fact, that reminds me, I should try and play for Green Bay....I would be a very, very cheap alternative....), and I held on every play. But if I was pulling a guys jersey off, I got flagged. So did someone jump offside on the Woodson pass interference? I am not sure...it hasn't been mentioned on this thread roughly 2038 times....
 
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