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2009-2010 USCHO Pre Season poll.

Matt Rennell

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I must admit, I am quite surprised at who is number one given the goalie situation. That said, the scattering of votes is no shock at all.

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USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll

October 26, 2009
	Team	(First Place Votes)	Record	Points	Last Poll
1	Plattsburgh	( 5)	       24- 2-2	253	1
2	Neumann	( 9)	               21- 9-2	245	12
3	Wis.-Stout	( 1)	       23- 6-2	217	2
4	Wis.-Superior	( 1)	       23- 4-3	178	3
5	Hobart	( 1)	               21- 7-2	162	6
6	Adrian	( 1)	               27- 1-1	159	7
7	Middlebury		       19- 7-1	154	9
8	Oswego	( 1)	               18- 8-1	150	11
9	Amherst		               22- 5-1	145	4
10	Gustavus Adolphus	       19-11-0	135	15
11	St. Norbert		       19- 8-1	132	14
12	Manhattanville	( 1)	       16- 4-5	127	10
13	St. Scholastica		       20- 7-2	106	5
14	Elmira		               16- 8-3	93	8
15	Norwich		               13- 8-4	70	NR

Others Receiving Votes: Wis.-River Falls 14, Curry 10, Hamline 10, 
St. Thomas 10, Nichols 7, Babson 5, New England College 5, 
Wis.-Stevens Point 5, Castleton 3, Mass.-Dartmouth 2, St. Olaf 2, 
Wentworth 1
 
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Obviously 9 of the voters placed their #1 votes based on tradition. It'll be interesting to see how long Neumann stays up near the top.

Also, It's interesting to note the large number of teams with First-Place votes. I suppose this is a reflection of the increased parity in D-III hockey. Once again the NCHA is strong, with 4 of 7 in the rankings and 6 of 7 receiving votes.

Is it normal for the preseason poll to essentially be a re-ordering of the last poll of the previous season? I'm sorry if I don't recall, but who is the one team to fall out of the poll to make room for Norwich?

Adrian starts the season at #6, which seemed to be as high as it could get last year, but finally receives a First-Place vote. This season will be the telling season for Adrian. Finally having a clear path to the title, this will be their "Put up or shut up" year. Can't wait for January 8th!

Well, the poll is here, and one weekend of hockey is in the books. It's offically hockey season... THANK HEAVENS!
 
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USCHO.com Division III Men's Poll

October 26, 2009
	Team	(First Place Votes)	Record	Points	Last Poll
1	Plattsburgh	( 5)	       24- 2-2	253	1
2	Neumann	( 9)	               21- 9-2	245	12
3	Wis.-Stout	( 1)	       23- 6-2	217	2
4	Wis.-Superior	( 1)	       23- 4-3	178	3
5	Hobart	( 1)	               21- 7-2	162	6
6	Adrian	( 1)	               27- 1-1	159	7
7	Middlebury		       19- 7-1	154	9
8	Oswego	( 1)	               18- 8-1	150	11
9	Amherst		               22- 5-1	145	4
10	Gustavus Adolphus	       19-11-0	135	15
11	St. Norbert		       19- 8-1	132	14
12	Manhattanville	( 1)	       16- 4-5	127	10
13	St. Scholastica		       20- 7-2	106	5
14	Elmira		               16- 8-3	93	8
15	Norwich		               13- 8-4	70	NR

Others Receiving Votes: Wis.-River Falls 14, Curry 10, Hamline 10, 
St. Thomas 10, Nichols 7, Babson 5, New England College 5, 
Wis.-Stevens Point 5, Castleton 3, Mass.-Dartmouth 2, St. Olaf 2, 
Wentworth 1

WHAT - Adrian is 6th, not 7th - must be some funny smoke mixed into that USCHO smoke filled room :p ;) At least I got Hobart right ;):cool:
 
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I must admit, I am quite surprised at who is number one given the goalie situation. That said, the scattering of votes is no shock at all.

I'm with you. 3 untested freshman Plattsburgh goalies, 13 freshman on the team! It is hard to consider this team #1, even in this meaningless preseason poll..:confused:
 
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I'm surprised Oswego got a 1st place vote. Also surprised Neumann got 4 more than Plattsburgh and still ended up 2nd. But I'm sure nearly every voter had the Cards in the top 3, whereas Neumann may not have cracked the top 5 in all of them.
 
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Looks close to a copy/paste job from last season's final poll, save for sliding Neumann into 1st.

Fwiw, I had Manhattanville #1 but based on the numbers can tell my ballot was not used.
 
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If I had a vote, I would have gone:

1.Neumann (RIT)
2.Gustavus Adolphus (Cheese?)
3.Stout (Cheese)
4.Superior (Cheese)
5.Plattsburgh (RIT)
6.Hobart (RIT)
7.Adrian (Adrian)
8.Middlebury (CCCP)
9.Manhattanville (RIT)
10.St. Scholastica (Cheese)
11.Oswego (RIT)
12.Elmira (RIT)
13.Amherst (CCCP)
14.St. Norbert (Cheese)
15.Stevens Point (Cheese)

* () Region according to Webb's D3 map.

The Gusties return basically their entire offense. If they can find good goaltending and defense again they'll be a dangerous team again. Martinson might be the best player in the country. He was the best player I saw last year and I saw 20-25 or so teams. His numbers certainly reflect it.
 
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I do have a vote and it went like this...

1 Manhattanville
2 Plattsburgh
3 St. Norbert
4 Adrian
5 Norwich
6 Gustavus Adolphus
7 Wis-Stout
8 Neumann
9 Wis-Superior
10 Middlebury
11 Elmira
12 Amherst
13 Curry
14 Mass-Dartmouth
15 Hamline

Manhattanville is scary. They return a lot from a squad that lost just 4 games last year. They, like SNC, are going to be rising up the national poll this year. Plattsburgh gets the #2 slot based on my theory that everybody else on the ice is so good it doesn't matter who's in net.

NUProf, any comments? Stout and Superior lost quite a bit, but I'm not willing to rule them out. Same as Neumann, so lumping them all together seems to make sense to me.

Curry and UMD are going to roll their respective leagues, if they can prove it in non-conference, I don't think either is a stretch as a top-15 team. Last chance, Hamline.

MIA: Hobart, Oswego, Scholastica

Hobart without Longo intimidates me not at all. Oswego without their top 3 lines intimidates me not at all. CSS was ranked 6th in the NCHA by those coaches, I'm willing to think they have some idea what they're talking about.
 
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One question, Did you see Manahattanville play last year?

Didn't realize having seen a team play the year before was a requirement to rank them in a specific spot the following year when they have new players. I'll keep that in mind. Also see above. Webb had them in the same spot with the same level of having seen them (pretty sure I caught at least one webcast of them last year, but I assume in Derek-land that's meaningless?)

Second, If we could take it away, we would

If that were true, they wouldn't keep hiring me to do different jobs, would they?

(This is what we call in the broadcasting business a tease, Josh):cool:

I understand how this concept might confuse you, as I'm actually employed in the field I was trained in. Which is why I'm not going to be able to respond to your prattling all season long. Are you really going to keep this up until March, because it's not even the end of October and it's old. Any comments on the actual poll or something hockey related, or are you going to keep flinging mud and seeing if any sticks?
 
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josh carey

Are u kidding me you put Stout at 7 wow no love st norbet loses like 6 guys becuase they were dumb and shot rabbits man no love. We also have one of the best lines in DIII. You must live on the east coast.
 
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The "Did you ever see ________ play" question is about as awesome as the "Well have you every played hockey before" question as a means to cup check credentials around here.

I'm doubting that all the coaches have seen all these teams play and we sure as hell know some of them mail it in on the poll rankings since they're f-cking stupid.

So, relax, have a Fresca and try not to pee your pants because someone's opinion differs from yours.
 
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I do have a vote and it went like this...

1 Manhattanville
2 Plattsburgh
3 St. Norbert
4 Adrian
5 Norwich
6 Gustavus Adolphus
7 Wis-Stout
8 Neumann
9 Wis-Superior
10 Middlebury
11 Elmira
12 Amherst
13 Curry
14 Mass-Dartmouth
15 Hamline

Manhattanville is scary. They return a lot from a squad that lost just 4 games last year. They, like SNC, are going to be rising up the national poll this year. Plattsburgh gets the #2 slot based on my theory that everybody else on the ice is so good it doesn't matter who's in net.

NUProf, any comments? Stout and Superior lost quite a bit, but I'm not willing to rule them out. Same as Neumann, so lumping them all together seems to make sense to me.

Curry and UMD are going to roll their respective leagues, if they can prove it in non-conference, I don't think either is a stretch as a top-15 team. Last chance, Hamline.

MIA: Hobart, Oswego, Scholastica

Hobart without Longo intimidates me not at all. Oswego without their top 3 lines intimidates me not at all. CSS was ranked 6th in the NCHA by those coaches, I'm willing to think they have some idea what they're talking about.
Salem State thanks you for the bulletin board material.
 
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Salem State thanks you for the bulletin board material.

Seriously. SSC with nearly same record as UMD last year, but in general facing tougher games. Couple losses form last year's squad, but still Salem generally has good luck bringing in talent. I'd expect it to be close.
 
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We should do a preseason USCHO fan poll and look back at the end of the season and see who knows more, the fans or the USCHO voters. My guess is the fans would win. :eek: :p
 
Re: 2009-2010 USCHO Pre Season poll.

We should do a preseason USCHO fan poll and look back at the end of the season and see who knows more, the fans or the USCHO voters. My guess is the fans would win. :eek: :p

Well with a select group of knowledgeable fans like us Bill.......we'd win for sure !;) ;)

Never the less .....this USCHO group usually seems to get it reasonably right.:cool:

Always appreciate Josh's honesty putting his ballot and rationale out there.
Would like to see more pollsters do this,.. as good discussion usually ensues.
 
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josh carey

Are u kidding me you put Stout at 7 wow no love st norbet loses like 6 guys becuase they were dumb and shot rabbits man no love. We also have one of the best lines in DIII. You must live on the east coast.
I'm not sure whether I'm more amazed that I agree with what I think you may be trying to say or that it read like it did even after you took the time to edit.

I try not to comment too much on teams I don't know a ton about, so I usually keep it to the west. I'll be interested to see how the new scheduling format in the NCHA impacts their rankings. Impressive W-L records will be hard to maintain with 4 NCHA games taking the place of 2 nearly automatic wins against Lake Forest and 2 MIAC interlock games removed that tended to largely go the way of the NCHA. I have a feeling rankings will take this into account and it will have little impact and we know it will help SOS for the NCAAs.

I think Stout is about right in the 3 or 4 range. It isn't by a huge margin, but they do have the best returning team in the NCHA and I've heard they seem to like their new goalie.

I'd probably bump Superior down to 6 or 7. I know Stauber has collected goalies this season like John Gruden collects QBs, but despite other solid talent returning I'm not sure I can put them up too high without knowing if at least one of those goalies is any good. The also lost quite a few solid senior forwards, including one very good one in Huck who I thought was the heart and soul of that team.

St. Norbert probably belongs somewhere around 10 like they are. Their issues have been alluded to by some, which I won't go into. The only non-graduation loss they'll really feel will be Gale. My bigger concern is health. They don't have the depth to handle a ton of injuries and it sounds like there are some early concerns. I think the goalie tandem will be better. I'm not predicting elite, but better. Last season those guys had the extremely difficult task of replacing a D3 all-time great made more challenging by the fact that both sat on the bench most of the prior season.

Gustavus Adolphus seems low at initial glance based on returning talent, but I'd probably put them somewhere in the 9-11 range about where they are. To be honest it wouldn't surpise me if they end up lower when it is all said and done. They may have top 5 returning talent. However, those who learn from history have likely noticed St. Thomas is the only MIAC team over the last 10 years who has shown any consistent staying power. We've seen other MIAC teams have a good season and then when drop back to the middle of the pack in their conference even when it looked like they'd be primed for a big run the following season.

As far as the top 15, I'd probably sneak Stevens Point right in near the bottom in place of St. Scholastica. I like some of their young talent with a potential POTY candidate in Erstad.

St. Scholastica I'd bump a few spots out of the top 15. They lost quite a few seniors including 3 of their top 4 scorers and a good senior goalie. I'm not sure they won't take a step down after a very good year.

I don't see anybody else out west who deserves serious consideration in the top 15.
 
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