2009-2010 UNH Wildcats Season

[e.cat]

Re: 2009-2010 UNH Wildcats Season

I actually have the 2003 HE Championship on VCD. Well, most of the game. It's missing the first few minutes; don't miss any goals, though. I'm not sure I've ever watched it all the way through. I will tonight, and make sure they're complete other than that first chunk. I think I can be convinced to burn a copy for interested parties.

thank you cbg. if you can that would be awesome just let me know. no pressure but i can meet up with you at a game whenever or provide you with my email and address and phone #. it would be nice to get the other games too. some unh fan must have copies. i bet i'm not the only fan who would pay for them either, ya know?

 

[C-H-C]

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I would pay you for a copy of that tape {1999 National Championship}. The offer is good also for anybody who has copies of the "79 ECAC Championship and the two Hockey East Championship games.

I've found my VHS tape of the 1999 National Championship game. I'll either make a VHS copy or transfer it over to a DVD. If I go the DVD route, I'd make it available for the cost of the transfer + materials.

Although I doubt anyone has it, I would love a tape of the 1974 ECAC playoff game against RPI. I remember that it was broadcast on NH Public Television, Channel 11, but of course, VCR technology was not available at the time.

 

[lkenney]

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I've found my VHS tape of the 1999 National Championship game. I'll either make a VHS copy or transfer it over to a DVD. If I go the DVD route, I'd make it available for the cost of the transfer + materials.

Although I doubt anyone has it, I would love a tape of the 1974 ECAC playoff game against RPI. I remember that it was broadcast on NH Public Television, Channel 11, but of course, VCR technology was not available at the time.

http://www.amazon.com/1999-NCAA-Div...ip/dp/B000NO2FVA/ref=pd_ts_d_10?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

 

[Verkligen]

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Nothing important to say at the moment... But seeing the Maine thread at the top of the list ticked me off. *grin*

 

[bostonfan86]

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Video of today's UNH press conference courtesy of Biz Jacobs from Inside Hockey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwaAFXkiguI

 

[C-H-C]

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Video of today's UNH press conference courtesy of Biz Jacobs from Inside Hockey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwaAFXkiguI

Coach Umile was clearly irritated. DeSimone and Kessel seemed chastened. Interesting that both players said the team relaxed after they got a 2 goal lead in both games. Did they relax or are they unable to maintain a torrid pace for three periods?

 

[unhpuckfan2001]

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Coach Umile was clearly irritated. DeSimone and Kessel seemed chastened. Interesting that both players said the team relaxed after they got a 2 goal lead in both games. Did they relax or are they unable to maintain a torrid pace for three periods?

Yes.

The relaxed. But also, not having Burke and Speelman on their lines affected everything else; 3rd and 4th lines were playing with different combinations. Also, Maine worked hard to get Nyquist on the ice when our 1st or 2nd lines were not, and the lower lines got worn out. In turn, the 1st and 2nd lines got used more, and got worn out.

Also, each game at the start UNH played physical, and as the game went on, and UNH got those early leads, they relaxed, and quit working as hard along the boards. We all saw how that worked out.

 

[C-H-C]

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Yes.

The relaxed. But also, not having Burke and Speelman on their lines affected everything else; 3rd and 4th lines were playing with different combinations. Also, Maine worked hard to get Nyquist on the ice when our 1st or 2nd lines were not, and the lower lines got worn out. In turn, the 1st and 2nd lines got used more, and got worn out.

Also, each game at the start UNH played physical, and as the game went on, and UNH got those early leads, they relaxed, and quit working as hard along the boards. We all saw how that worked out.

I watched both games over the internet feed from CBS Sports and I got the same impression as you. I guess it goes without saying that not having Burke and Speelman was a big factor.

Following the Beanpot final the other night, I saw an interview with Coach York. He made an interesting point which is relevant to UNH's situation. He said that the reason BC and BU were able to maintain a fast and furious pace throughout the game is because both teams have talented players on all four lines. He didn't mention UNH but I think a key difference between UNH and the Boston teams is how much play the 4th line gets. Since the North Dakota game last spring, UNH has adopted an uptempo, work hard on every shift game plan. To be successful over the entire season without burning your players out, the team needs the 3rd and 4th lines to play consistently. It seems to me that the UNH 4th line has been used sparingly since the beginning of the season. It also hasn't helped that the players on the 4th line are different every night. I rather see the coaching staff stick with the same three players on the 4th line and give them more icetime. Personally, I think Manz at center with McCarey and Henrion on the wings is the most talented combination.

 

[acs64]

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Video of today's UNH press conference courtesy of Biz Jacobs from Inside Hockey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwaAFXkiguI

Wow....Umile is clearly emotionally disturbed by last weekend. That cant be healthy....it seems clear he is taking this sport a bit too seriously, perhaps too much for his own health.

UNH has always, it seems, relied too heavily on the their top 3 lines and gassed them out by the end of an uptempto game. Maine played all 4 lines all game long and probably had more in the tank both games at the end. I think this is a Umile trust, or lack of trust, issue. He may never, ever feel comfortable with his 4th line. jmo.

Maine's weakness, otoh, has been a tendency to come out too slowly to start a game and then have to work their way back into it. Has happened time and time again.

 

[GoUNH]

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Wow....Umile is clearly emotionally disturbed by last weekend. That cant be healthy....it seems clear he is taking this sport a bit too seriously, perhaps too much for his own health.

UNH has allways, it seems, relied too heavily on the their top 3 lines and gassed them out by the end of an uptempto game. Maine played all 4 lines all game long and probably had more in the tank both games at the end. I think this is a Umile trust, or lack of trust, issue. He may never, ever feel comfortable with his 4th line. jmo.

Maine's weakness, otoh, has been a tendency to come out too slowly to start a game and then have to work their way back into it. Has happened time and time again.

I was at the Saturday game, and it was Maine who was gassed in the third period. UNH dominated and put heavy pressure on the Bears in their end until Flynn scored on a breakaway for Maine at 18:22 to go up 5-3 and put the game away. Umile, DeSimone and Kessel pretty much summed it up, after they went up 2-0, they became complacent and let Maine back in the game. When the Bears tied the game at 2-2 the fans came alive and it really sparked their team.

 

[acs64]

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I was at the Saturday game, and it was Maine who was gassed in the third period. UNH dominated and put heavy pressure on the Bears in their end until Flynn scored on a breakaway for Maine at 18:22 to go up 5-3 and put the game away. Umile, DeSimone and Kessel pretty much summed it up, after they went up 2-0, they became complacent and let Maine back in the game. When the Bears tied the game at 2-2 the fans came alive and it really sparked their team.

Teams take more chances when down at the end of the game...makes the other team looked more gassed than they are, and actually does begin to take a lot out of a team. I think the complacent line is a bunch of bullchit. How can any team make the same mistake 2 nights in a row in a rivals building ?? lol

 

[GoUNH]

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Teams take more chances when down at the end of the game...makes the other team looked more gassed than they are, and actually does begin to take a lot out of a team. I think the complacent line is a bunch of bullchit. How can any team make the same mistake 2 nights in a row in a rivals building ?? lol

Great points, but that is not what happened on Saturday. UNH let Maine back in the game during the second period and it had nothing to do with being gassed. Outplayed, sure, but exhaustion was never a factor for the Cats.

 

[C-H-C]

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Wow....Umile is clearly emotionally disturbed by last weekend. That cant be healthy....it seems clear he is taking this sport a bit too seriously, perhaps too much for his own health.

UNH has always, it seems, relied too heavily on the their top 3 lines and gassed them out by the end of an uptempto game. Maine played all 4 lines all game long and probably had more in the tank both games at the end. I think this is a Umile trust, or lack of trust, issue. He may never, ever feel comfortable with his 4th line. jmo.

Sadly, I think you're right about Coach Umile's underutilization of the 4th line. It's too bad because the 4th line often has talented freshman who blossom in their sophomore year. For example, I think Borisenok played on the 4th line last season and was used sparingly. Clearly, in retrospect, he had the talent to play a lot more in his freshman year. The Coach's mistrust of his 4th line may end up holding back gifted players. Come on Coach, lighten up a little. Heck, McCarey and Henrion both played on the U.S. National Development team. They're no slouches.

Also, you're right about Umile's appearance and demeanor. He looked dragged out.

 

[GoUNH]

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I agree that the 4th line should be used more. Those are some talented kids, especially McCarey and Henrion.

Any word on next years OOC opponents?

 

[slaphappy]

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Clark-Hislop-Cox
First time posting on the UNH board and only took a peek on the board when I noticed your username. Back in the day I had a chance to play against that line and walked away from the game in awe. They were so great together and had so much respect with the way they played together. One of my great loves of the game is to see the game played the right way, especially by lines that totally letting go of personal ego and playing the game with intelligence and skill.
Have only seen UNH on the tube, but would agree with your points about playing your 4th line on a more regular basis. Coaches often fail to empower these players and create a negative situation in so many ways. First off, you do run your top players into the ground, as you mention. Second you create a self fulfilling prophecy, in that, by not playing them they lack the confidence to play and when they do and make a mistake they are further knocked down in the confidence department, not to mention the divisions you create in the locker room, between the haves and the have not. Keep in mind that besides the 4th liners not playing you also have 4-5 players not even dressed for each game. Don't for a second think that most of these players are not ****ed off and think their coach is sticking it to them. People often misunderstand how demoralizing it is to not play.
The amazing thing is that the difference between the 4th lines and 3rd lines is usually so small that with playing time and confidence from the coaching staff many of these players actually have a chance to pass some of their teammates ability-wise by the end of the year. Hopefully Coach Umile, in the future will change his ways, but I wouldn't hold my breath as hard A coaches like himself tend to never change.

 

[C-H-C]

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Clark-Hislop-Cox
First time posting on the UNH board and only took a peek on the board when I noticed your username. Back in the day I had a chance to play against that line and walked away from the game in awe. They were so great together and had so much respect with the way they played together. One of my great loves of the game is to see the game played the right way, especially by lines that totally letting go of personal ego and playing the game with intelligence and skill.
Have only seen UNH on the tube, but would agree with your points about playing your 4th line on a more regular basis. Coaches often fail to empower these players and create a negative situation in so many ways. First off, you do run your top players into the ground, as you mention. Second you create a self fulfilling prophecy, in that, by not playing them they lack the confidence to play and when they do and make a mistake they are further knocked down in the confidence department, not to mention the divisions you create in the locker room, between the haves and the have not. Keep in mind that besides the 4th liners not playing you also have 4-5 players not even dressed for each game. Don't for a second think that most of these players are not ****ed off and think their coach is sticking it to them. People often misunderstand how demoralizing it is to not play.
The amazing thing is that the difference between the 4th lines and 3rd lines is usually so small that with playing time and confidence from the coaching staff many of these players actually have a chance to pass some of their teammates ability-wise by the end of the year. Hopefully Coach Umile, in the future will change his ways, but I wouldn't hold my breath as hard A coaches like himself tend to never change.

Wow - thanks for the insight! We amateur fans rarely get a glimpse of what happens in the locker room and on the practice ice from actual players.

And yes, Gordie, Jamie and Cliff were thrilling to watch. As the years have past, I'm sure my memories of their play together have become exaggerated. But they were a special trio. Will never forget how they scored three goals (If I remember correctly) during a 3-on-3 sequence in the 1974 ECAC playoff game against RPI.

 

[zoofer]

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Great points made Slaphappy! Back in the mid-70's, no one wanted to take a right once entering the locker room doors...that room only had the old rubber mats and steel lockers, and no heat! Usually the 4th line and extras dressed in their....I love UNH but it's from those beginnings that such pride comes today....my point here was to tell C-H-C that I have DVD's of the '77' NCAA semi's, UNH vs Wisconsin, plus others that include much of the 3 on 3 that we had against RPI.... CC coming in from the right face off circle coming in to the front of the crease and roofing the puck over Cutt's glove....talk about talent on the ice!

 

[C-H-C]

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Great points made Slaphappy! Back in the mid-70's, no one wanted to take a right once entering the locker room doors...that room only had the old rubber mats and steel lockers, and no heat! Usually the 4th line and extras dressed in their....I love UNH but it's from those beginnings that such pride comes today....my point here was to tell C-H-C that I have DVD's of the '77' NCAA semi's, UNH vs Wisconsin, plus others that include much of the 3 on 3 that we had against RPI.... CC coming in from the right face off circle coming in to the front of the crease and roofing the puck over Cutt's glove....talk about talent on the ice!

Needle in a haystack! Thanks so much Zoofer. I'd be willing to pay a ridiculous sum for those DVD's - especially the 1974 clips. Please advise.

 

[C-H-C]

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Clark-Hislop-Cox
Have only seen UNH on the tube, but would agree with your points about playing your 4th line on a more regular basis. Coaches often fail to empower these players and create a negative situation in so many ways... Hopefully Coach Umile, in the future will change his ways, but I wouldn't hold my breath as hard A coaches like himself tend to never change.

Great points made Slaphappy! Back in the mid-70's, no one wanted to take a right once entering the locker room doors...that room only had the old rubber mats and steel lockers, and no heat! Usually the 4th line and extras dressed in their....I love UNH but it's from those beginnings that such pride comes today....

I'm reading between the lines here but it sounds like Coach Umile's reluctance to choose a 4th line and give them adequate playing time may separate him from other successful coaches such as Jerry York. Also, it sounds like this clear demarcation between Lines 1-3 and the 4th line began long ago when Dick Umile played under Charlie Holt. In the early part of this season, I thought Coach Umile was loosening up a bit regarding his tendency to minimize icetime for freshman. Having Speelman on the first line for a while and Burke on the 2nd and 3rd line was a positive trend. I guess old habits die hard.

 

[e.cat]

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Great points made Slaphappy! Back in the mid-70's, no one wanted to take a right once entering the locker room doors...that room only had the old rubber mats and steel lockers, and no heat! Usually the 4th line and extras dressed in their....I love UNH but it's from those beginnings that such pride comes today....my point here was to tell C-H-C that I have DVD's of the '77' NCAA semi's, UNH vs Wisconsin, plus others that include much of the 3 on 3 that we had against RPI.... CC coming in from the right face off circle coming in to the front of the crease and roofing the puck over Cutt's glove....talk about talent on the ice!

oh man...i saw that goal by cc and can still remember it as clear as a bell. would love to have a copy of that one. i was sittin down at the end where he shot it and was amazed how he roofed it like that. what a line. they were fun to watch. do you have a dvd of the '79 ecac championship game?

http://www.amazon.com/1999-NCAA-Div...ip/dp/B000NO2FVA/ref=pd_ts_d_10?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

thanks for that

I've found my VHS tape of the 1999 National Championship game. I'll either make a VHS copy or transfer it over to a DVD. If I go the DVD route, I'd make it available for the cost of the transfer + materials.

Although I doubt anyone has it, I would love a tape of the 1974 ECAC playoff game against RPI. I remember that it was broadcast on NH Public Television, Channel 11, but of course, VCR technology was not available at the time.

hey chc thanks for the offer. maybe i should just go ahead and buy the dvd on amazon. probably easier on everyone.

just thinking out loud but this may be something the friends might want to get involvedd with. i bet if they could get together and copy some of these old tapes and dvd's and such they could sell a chit load of them as a fund raiser. just a thought.