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2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
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videohockey
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videohockey
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OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
Gave my kid, away at school, a bike and a pair of Roller Blades to get around.
Only problem is that the bike has been stolen a few times. Seems like that is a hotter commodity than a SUV.
Who has to walk? Just buy her a car!
Gave my kid, away at school, a bike and a pair of Roller Blades to get around.
Only problem is that the bike has been stolen a few times. Seems like that is a hotter commodity than a SUV.
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notfromaroundhere
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Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
Mine will be on a bicycle at college too.
As good as her FA situation is going to be, we aren't buying her that Hummer she has had her eye on. 
Gave my kid away at school a bike and a pair of Roller Blades to get around.
Only problem is that the bike has been stolen a few times. Seems like that is a hotter commodity than a SUV.
Mine will be on a bicycle at college too.
As good as her FA situation is going to be, we aren't buying her that Hummer she has had her eye on. Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
I know what you mean...that one's not particularly environmentally friendly, what with the gas costs and all.
I know what you mean...that one's not particularly environmentally friendly, what with the gas costs and all.
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
No Hummer
... Bummer
Mine will be on a bicycle at college too..... we aren't buying her that Hummer she has had her eye on.
No Hummer
... Bummer Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
I can relate. Lots of days I'm tempted to give mine away too.
I can relate. Lots of days I'm tempted to give mine away too.
videohockey
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Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
Give away? No way! Too much invested. Sell, craigslist or ebay at least. (better add a smiley face if any of them read this)
I can relate. Lots of days I'm tempted to give mine away too.
Give away? No way! Too much invested. Sell, craigslist or ebay at least. (better add a smiley face if any of them read this)
Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
I never said a player couldn’t be, or shouldn’t be, more fortunate than another player. And I never said a player couldn’t, or shouldn’t have an advantage over another player. And I never said an entire team or program couldn’t have advantages over other teams.
I said an entire team should not have an unfair advantage over all other teams.
I never said a player couldn’t be, or shouldn’t be, more fortunate than another player. And I never said a player couldn’t, or shouldn’t have an advantage over another player. And I never said an entire team or program couldn’t have advantages over other teams.
I said an entire team should not have an unfair advantage over all other teams.
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If NAHA was established so that it could field together a national bound team to go to nationals then whoever started NAHA should have never decided to have it located in Vermont under their stringent youth hockey rules. But it wasn’t started for that purpose.
Notfromaroundhere keeps complaining how kids at boarding schools, not just NAHA, don’t have local club teams around but are dyeing to get a shot a nationals. I’m saying it seems logical to start a club team around those schools so players who want the option to play both club and prep hockey can. If they’re in different divisions then there is no more issue with players being on more than one roster.
If NAHA was established so that it could field together a national bound team to go to nationals then whoever started NAHA should have never decided to have it located in Vermont under their stringent youth hockey rules. But it wasn’t started for that purpose.
Notfromaroundhere keeps complaining how kids at boarding schools, not just NAHA, don’t have local club teams around but are dyeing to get a shot a nationals. I’m saying it seems logical to start a club team around those schools so players who want the option to play both club and prep hockey can. If they’re in different divisions then there is no more issue with players being on more than one roster.
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Someone already said that Nationals is no longer the most competitive tournament anymore.
I just don’t get why people need to try to make it the most competitive girls tournament under college. There are plenty of those that already exist that all these teams already compete in. I don’t see the need to change the one youth hockey tournament into something more than that so it can be more competitive.
Eliminate u12’s, u14’s, and add Shattuck, NSA, and NAHA and then there goes the chance for any actual youth team to win nationals.
Someone already said that Nationals is no longer the most competitive tournament anymore.
I just don’t get why people need to try to make it the most competitive girls tournament under college. There are plenty of those that already exist that all these teams already compete in. I don’t see the need to change the one youth hockey tournament into something more than that so it can be more competitive.
Eliminate u12’s, u14’s, and add Shattuck, NSA, and NAHA and then there goes the chance for any actual youth team to win nationals.
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Why is it so important that what you call a youth team has an opportunity to win nationals anyway?
If there are so many good if not better tournaments, opportunities can also exist through those venues for so-called youth teams registered as such, to win titles.
In Canada, no actual teams--whether club, HS, or prep--have the opportunity to compete for the national U18championship. The competition is limited to teams put together by each region exclusively for the purpose of this tournament only, composed of the best players from that area (at least in theory) wherever they may happen to normally play.
This would be a way of eliminating all the controversy over which teams should be eligible. Would you view that as an alternative solution?
Why is it so important that what you call a youth team has an opportunity to win nationals anyway?
If there are so many good if not better tournaments, opportunities can also exist through those venues for so-called youth teams registered as such, to win titles.
In Canada, no actual teams--whether club, HS, or prep--have the opportunity to compete for the national U18championship. The competition is limited to teams put together by each region exclusively for the purpose of this tournament only, composed of the best players from that area (at least in theory) wherever they may happen to normally play.
This would be a way of eliminating all the controversy over which teams should be eligible. Would you view that as an alternative solution?
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Don't we listen to this argument every year? NAHA knows the deal before the season starts and I would hope the parents do as well. If I am wrong someone please correct me but I thought that if you went to SSM or NSA or Gilmour you received a diploma with that school name on top. If you go to NAHA you are only there for hockey season and then you attend whatever school where you reside and eventually that is what is on you diploma.
That probably prevents them from being in any High School division. My family and children have resided in several USA Hockey Districts over the years and each of them had their own requirements to be eligible for Nationals. Where we presently reside they have an Annual District Meeting and anyone can propose close to anything as long as it does not violate basic USA Hockey rules or exempt you from them. You send in your proposal; get it on the agenda; show up at the meeting: make your case and it is voted on by Distict membership. Each club in the distict gets to send one voting delegate for each registered USA Hockey team. Nothing is done back room or secret conspiracy etc. Sometimes you win; sometimes you lose. Not sure how Vermont does it but I am sure there is some kind of procedure to bring an issue up. Honestly it might pass in my district because 90% percent of the delegates probably represent Boy's teams only and might not have a clue who or what NAHA is.
Vermont usually does not come up as a youth hockey powerhouse so probably someone built a "super" team once and residency rules are the result. Every district I have been in always has someone that figured out an "edge" and ruined things for other people. We play a lot of out of district exhibition games with teams that have to get their 10/20 games in and we always see 17 names on the scoresheets and 10 players on the bench. Is "preppies" the magic word? Just part of hockey so we live with it.
Don't we listen to this argument every year? NAHA knows the deal before the season starts and I would hope the parents do as well. If I am wrong someone please correct me but I thought that if you went to SSM or NSA or Gilmour you received a diploma with that school name on top. If you go to NAHA you are only there for hockey season and then you attend whatever school where you reside and eventually that is what is on you diploma.
That probably prevents them from being in any High School division. My family and children have resided in several USA Hockey Districts over the years and each of them had their own requirements to be eligible for Nationals. Where we presently reside they have an Annual District Meeting and anyone can propose close to anything as long as it does not violate basic USA Hockey rules or exempt you from them. You send in your proposal; get it on the agenda; show up at the meeting: make your case and it is voted on by Distict membership. Each club in the distict gets to send one voting delegate for each registered USA Hockey team. Nothing is done back room or secret conspiracy etc. Sometimes you win; sometimes you lose. Not sure how Vermont does it but I am sure there is some kind of procedure to bring an issue up. Honestly it might pass in my district because 90% percent of the delegates probably represent Boy's teams only and might not have a clue who or what NAHA is.
Vermont usually does not come up as a youth hockey powerhouse so probably someone built a "super" team once and residency rules are the result. Every district I have been in always has someone that figured out an "edge" and ruined things for other people. We play a lot of out of district exhibition games with teams that have to get their 10/20 games in and we always see 17 names on the scoresheets and 10 players on the bench. Is "preppies" the magic word? Just part of hockey so we live with it.
IceIsNice
Huh? Whoopie Pies? WHERE???
Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
Perhaps all other years, the argument was a rehash of same ol' same ol', but this year, the fact that a school that is only about a 100 miles away on the other side of some lake gets treated differently is what throws a little salt on the wound, and at least in my opinion substantially rationalizes the rejuvenation of the argument.
I understand your frustration, but to be fair, what's different is that this year NSA was recognized by New York. In fact, NSA won New York and is representing their district in Green Bay.
Perhaps all other years, the argument was a rehash of same ol' same ol', but this year, the fact that a school that is only about a 100 miles away on the other side of some lake gets treated differently is what throws a little salt on the wound, and at least in my opinion substantially rationalizes the rejuvenation of the argument.
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You could let d1 teams go for the d3 national title and that would make d3 college hockey a lot more competitive. But no one wants that because they understand the advantages that d1 schools would have so they’re able to put the tournaments over all level of competition second to the actual fairness for d3 teams because it is their tournament. D3 rules are never changed so that they can cater to the demands of d1 teams, or even have d1 teams in mind. The fact that d1 teams have more talent is still completely irrelevant and rules are made to protect d3 teams with solely those teams in mind.
So I think rules for USA youth hockey concerning nationals should do exactly what Vermont’s doing. Protect the fairness for youth hockey teams because it’s their tournament, even if that compromises the overall level of talent.
You could let d1 teams go for the d3 national title and that would make d3 college hockey a lot more competitive. But no one wants that because they understand the advantages that d1 schools would have so they’re able to put the tournaments over all level of competition second to the actual fairness for d3 teams because it is their tournament. D3 rules are never changed so that they can cater to the demands of d1 teams, or even have d1 teams in mind. The fact that d1 teams have more talent is still completely irrelevant and rules are made to protect d3 teams with solely those teams in mind.
So I think rules for USA youth hockey concerning nationals should do exactly what Vermont’s doing. Protect the fairness for youth hockey teams because it’s their tournament, even if that compromises the overall level of talent.
notfromaroundhere
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Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
I do believe now that NAHA is an accredited school in the state of VT now, as they have the academic option in additon to the hockey season option.
And as to a coach presenting a scoresheet with 17 names and 10 players on the bench, I suggest that you ask the ref to mark out the names of the players not present on the bench when they drop the puck. Make sure each player steps on the ice (except the backup goalie who is only required to be in uniform in the facility). I've seen it done.
And yes, we have this argument every year. Just another Newbie out there with a new idea of how hockey should be organized who isn't involved in the youth game.
I do believe now that NAHA is an accredited school in the state of VT now, as they have the academic option in additon to the hockey season option.
And as to a coach presenting a scoresheet with 17 names and 10 players on the bench, I suggest that you ask the ref to mark out the names of the players not present on the bench when they drop the puck. Make sure each player steps on the ice (except the backup goalie who is only required to be in uniform in the facility). I've seen it done.
And yes, we have this argument every year. Just another Newbie out there with a new idea of how hockey should be organized who isn't involved in the youth game.
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And yeah, exactly, any youth team that when off ice gets caught cleaning up parks, collecting clothes and food for charity, getting involved with Habitat for Humanity, helping the elderly in nursing homes, volunteering at inner-city schools to help children with learning disabilities or running a toy drive to give presents to sick kids stuck in hospitals around the holidays should be booted from the tournament as well.
I’m so glad I can always rely on you to understand what it is I’m trying to say and then clarify what it is I mean exactly so all of the other readers can understand too. Thanks man.
And yeah, exactly, any youth team that when off ice gets caught cleaning up parks, collecting clothes and food for charity, getting involved with Habitat for Humanity, helping the elderly in nursing homes, volunteering at inner-city schools to help children with learning disabilities or running a toy drive to give presents to sick kids stuck in hospitals around the holidays should be booted from the tournament as well.
I’m so glad I can always rely on you to understand what it is I’m trying to say and then clarify what it is I mean exactly so all of the other readers can understand too. Thanks man.
POMINNVILLE
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Re: 2009-2010 Top U19 Teams
The reality is it will never be fair! The national tournament is just another tournament that does not have the best teams there. I think USA Hockey could have a true national championship by having tryouts in each district (age specific)and form teams to come together and play for a national championship like the canadians do. On The Prep side a national championship is on the horizon but only schools that have students attending class and have eligability standards should be allowed to compete. Just Like the NCAA.
The reality is it will never be fair! The national tournament is just another tournament that does not have the best teams there. I think USA Hockey could have a true national championship by having tryouts in each district (age specific)and form teams to come together and play for a national championship like the canadians do. On The Prep side a national championship is on the horizon but only schools that have students attending class and have eligability standards should be allowed to compete. Just Like the NCAA.