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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

What could possibly make you happy (G)rantfan? It seems you are looking for an altercation from someone. Hard to argue your points but the team has improved under Coach Sneddon each season. This one is not over yet although I am quite sure that if the Cats do not win the national title you will consider it a failure. Actually if they do win it I am sure that you will find away to complain about how they won it. I don't seriuosly think it is in the cards this season but "rant" you need to chill and stop answering your own posts. Really.
 
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Again, why not pick a point I tried to make and address it, why I am not right, why I am an idiot, why you see things differently.

How would you like to refund the cost of my 4 tickets in light of the garbage I am watching from this team?

You dont make points. You make sarcastic comments that only you find interesting.

And by all means please give up your tickets so someone who knows what it means to be a sportsfan.

And since when is a above .500 team that is currently right on the edge of NCAA consideration a trainreck? Vermont has only made the tourney what 3 times in the last 20 years or so. It looks like you and some others got a little spoiled after last year and thought this is what was going to happen every year.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Again, why not pick a point I tried to make and address it, why I am not right, why I am an idiot, why you see things differently.
The hard part of picking a point and addressing it is that there are a lot of points to address - but here I go.

Coach Sneddon obviously had Cullity on a short leash and Patrick responded by being on his best behavior. Credit the coach for pushing all the right buttons, master manipulator that he is. This is obviously a perception of just on your part. Short leash or long leash, it does not seem to matter. Cullity is a cancer on this team. Could not believe the comment in the BFP from Sneddon - “Our power play...,” said Sneddon. “Patrick’s working his tail off out there, but two penalties are not a good sign and that unfortunately negates all the good things he did.” - Wow, what is Sneddon seeing? Cullity working his tail off? Good things...like what? Sorry, but this kid should not be playing...

Rest assured, fans, Patrick Cullity WILL be in the lineup Friday night in Providence. Unfortunately, you will probably be proven to be accurate. When you watch him, you tend to think he can not make anymore mistakes, that he has used up his quota for the game and then the blind faith that Sneddon shows in him, more times than not, comes back to haunt the team...and the faithful fans of the team.

One thing I love about Kevin Sneddon, and I mean this sincerely, is his willingness and enjoyment at throwing the players under the bus. In his post-game comments, the professional coach stated that it was the "inability to EXECUTE our penalty kill," among other failings of the players, that killed the team against Maine. Seven PPGs against in 2 games, 10 in the 3 UVM-UMaine games, is the fault of the players, not the coaches. The coaches, of course, devised a brilliant PK system that Maine would have been helpless against, except that the players misexecuted it, because it really was a brilliant PK plan the coaches devised that the players were unable to execute.

Having not yet viewed the videotape, Sneddon was unable to hand out credit where credit was due immediately after each game, so take a bow, boys. On Friday, when Maine scored 4 PPGs in 7 attempts, Wahs Stacey was on for all 4, Brian Roloff and Johnathan Higgins were each on for 3 of them, and Josh Burrows was on for 2. On Saturday, when Maine's PP efficiency dropped to only 50% (3 of 6), Roloff was on for all 3 (6 for the weekend as well as being a vital cog on the team's 1st PP unit), MacKenzie and Medvec were on for 2 each (3 each for the weekend), and Brayden Irwin was teamed with Higgins (3 for the weekend) on the unit that gave up the PPG that tied the game for Maine. These are the main culprits, not including Irwin, who were unable to execute the brilliant penalty kill that Sneddon had devised that was sure to shut down the UMaine powerplay had the players not been unable to execute it as brilliantly as it was devised. Having looked at the box scores, you are correct. This is a very good point. The penalty killers, in particular the forwards are not doing so well. From what I can tell, the only forwards that do not kill penalties are Milo, Stalberg, Nilsson-Roos and Pacan. Maybe these guys should get a shot. If nothing else, maybe they can create some shorthanded chances.

And I am positive the coach will address any problems his scrutinizing eye can detect in the power play units, because we know the systems work. A few guesses, not prophecies, bench Wahs Stacey (a proven good idea), move Wahs to the 1st PP unit, reinstate Matt Marshall. Even Kevin Sneddon, who I am not a huge fan of, cannot revert to the Barry Melrose-approved 'roll the lines' PP rotation. I know the argument for that Sneddon-concocted idea is that they can't do worse than the 2 current PP units. That may be true, but they WILL be as bad, and that's the idea of a solution, isn't it? It seems to me that if a team prepares against another team's PP unit in practice and that PP is as potent at Maines, why would a coach not scrap his crappy PP and "copy" the PP that actually works? Is it ego?

....If the players were only able to do justice to the incredibly brilliant special teams schemes Sneddon and his crack staff devise while the players go to class and concentrate on all the other things college kids concentrate on on weeknights. Are you implying that coaching staffs actually work during the day?...while the student athletes attend school? I have often wondered how hard it is for a coaching staff to come up with something that works. Perhaps they should be watching the PP units of say, maybe Maine (30% PP efficiency), Merrimack (26.2%), Colorado College (23.7%), UMass (22.7%) and on and on... I mean, football coaches go to other team's camps to learn other versions of offenses and defenses, why can't Sneddon and his staff go do the same? His PP and PK haven't been working for the last 3 years or so...

So, let's recap. Patrick Cullity, the new, disciplined Patrick Cullity, will be in the lineup on Friday. The PK will right itself against Providence. And we're so lucky to have Kevin Sneddon as our coach, not just because he can devise unstoppable PP systems and inpenetrable PK systems but also because he is a master at pointing out how the players are responsible for all failings. Nice summary...however, in that same BFP game article, the following quote appears - "We’ve got play with that energy all the time,” Sneddon said. “I vowed to the guys I’ll do whatever it takes to make sure it happens." - could actually happen...

What could possibly make you happy (G)rantfan? Hard to argue your points but the team has improved under Coach Sneddon each season. This one is not over yet...

I think that for us Vermont fans, the transition over the Gilligan years in the ECAC (middle to bottom of the pack) to Hockey East has been on an uphill trajectory. The problem may be that the bar may now have been set too high since the program went Hockey East. Year 1 in Hockey East was a 2 game loss to BC, Year 2 was a 3 game loss but tough battle vs. BU, Year 3 was making it to the "Garden" and losing the championship game to BC, Year 4 was not making it to the Garden but making the tournament and ultimately the Frozen Four. Now Year 5 and the team is underacheiving - in a BIG way - and that is a problem since expectations are so high.

In professional sports, coaches are fired when the players "tune" them out. In college sports, coaches who get tuned out just wait for the season to end and then they get a different cast the next year to work with. Maybe this is one of those years...
 
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Its hard to figure out which pair leaving had hurt the Casts more...

Stalburg and Lenes for their scoring or Strong and Carlson for the Defense and leadership.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Its hard to figure out which pair leaving had hurt the Casts more...

Stalburg and Lenes for their scoring or Strong and Carlson for the Defense and leadership.


I would argue its much more Lenes and Strong. These two guys brought the intangibles that are lacking this year. Strong was a leader plain and simple. Both by example as well as vocally. And Lenes provided a spark for the team, something they can't seem to find this year. THey can't seem to get it going, no energy, and Peter would bring that every time he was on the ice. Those two are missed more then Stalberg. Let's face it, when UVM loses it isn't by one goal, it's huge. Other then maybe making the team focus on him Stalberg would not be a huge benefit or have changed the outcome. But Strong especially and to a lesser extent Lenes have hurt.
 
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On a much brighter note, I feel vindicated in my support of Brayden Irwin when I see that Brayden is one of only 75 candidates for the NCAA Skills competition. As this is similar to the Hobey Baker Award in that it is only open to US-born players, it is a tribute to Brayden that the NCAA made an exception for the big fellow.


If Brayden is not going to be a Walter Brown Trophy candidate in this, his senior year, then what better honor than to be selected by the NCAA as a candidate for the NCAA Skills competition.


Seriously ????????????
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Well Clearly Irwin didn't get a nomination for the Walter Brown Award, which everyone except you knew wasn't going to happen. That silly citizenship thing....:rolleyes:

Congrats to Madore, who actually was born in the US for his nomination.

Irwin was nominated for the skills competiton which is an honor for him. He has been having a good year. Not a HB year but a good year none the less. But really grantfan, I am confused to where you get your information. Can you point me to the rules that state a Hobey candidate must be a US born Player and where the same criteria is in the rules for a NCAA skills candidate?? Please, I am at a loss. Last I knew both of those awards were open to all NCAA hockey players regardless of where they were born. You may remember that last year Stalberg was nominated and he was from Sweden. You may also remember that in 1993 Paul Kariya won the award :eek: How did that happen being he is a Canadian??
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

BURLINGTON, Vt. –Freshman Erin Wente (Scottsdale, Ariz.) scored with two and a half minutes left in the game to give the University of Vermont women’s hockey team a 2-1 victory over No. 4 New Hampshire on Wednesday night at Gutterson Fieldhouse.


Might be the biggest win ever for the lady Cats.

Great job ladies!!!:D :D :D
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Hey maybe Luuko's father wants to help with some of the funding for a new rink. ;). Looks to be a pretty solid player from what I have read
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Please enjoy your four points this weekend.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Please enjoy your four points this weekend.

Jon please don't get everyone's hopes up. It would be just like UVM to lay down for you guys and just give you Friday night's game. Even if that meant literally lying down on the ice, and every once in a while taking a seat in the penalty box when they started to get chilly. But rest assured they will come to play saturday.:D
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Been offline all week, busy. Good snow at Stowe despite the brown everywhere else

The Cats totally outplayed Maine on Saturday but once again could not bury enough good chances to finish it

Madore made all the should have saves all weekend but did not make any or many GREAT saves that a team needs to win games against good competition

Still like the next two incoming classes a LOT

however, need another goalie next year with Vazzanon JR not coming until 2011?????

Predict a split this weekend, Cats are probably going to sneak into 8th and get killed by UNH in the playoffs. Good year to go snowboarding out west during HE playoffs....

Wish Grantfan would go off the grid. Get a life. 7 years ago 8th in HE would have been a big improvement, not a huge disappointment. It is the huge improvement in the program since Sneddon arrived that has set such high expectations that we are now disappointed at this juncture of the season.

At least they have not peaked yet! If that were to happen watch out.... Although arguably they are not going to.

Stalberg is reminding me more of his older sibling all the time. Not that I have the same expectation. But he's a better defensive player, and not quite as strong offensively. He's going to be good the next three years, along with McCarthy, Roos, and Pacan. The future is bright, sometimes you just have years where the talent does not come together (see BC last year, see BU the year before last)
 
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Nice job tonight getting out early and putting the game away with solid play. Now comes the test can they do it again.

Interesting ECAC game Union 11-2 over Clarkson, All 6 goalies used and Union outshot Clarkson 48-19. Boy times they have changed. 11 goals used to be a average month for Union.
 
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Nice win for the Cats. Sounds like they came out skating and never let up. Yes it was PC, but league points are league points.

Kudos to the freshman line which continues to impress and contribute. They are going to be a good class. Lets hope this isn't a one and done wake up call but continues to stay in their heads that they need to come out and play hard 60 minutes a game EVERY game.

These points are critical, the win moves them up in the PWR. Play like last night and a season sweep it quite realistic and needed.

The series with MC next weekend becomes critical for the PWR as well. A sweep next weekend at home gains them 2-3 PWR match ups due to COP.

Everything is amazingly tight this year, so let's hope they pick it up and play like this from here on out.
 
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Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Too bad they could not get the 4th point.

This team just does not have the will. Losing Stacey (second leading goal scorer) indefinitely does not help.

Nice weekend for the freshman line though

I continue to be encouraged about the future, next year could be a bit scary but I like the incoming classes the next two years on top of this years freshmen.

I figure a split with Mack, split with BU, swept by UNH and split with UML. They will likely finish two games below .500 and about 7th and go to Maine/UNH/UMASS or BC for the playoffs. I would prefer UMASS of all of those possibilities....

Now, we need some snow up here.....
 
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Too bad they could not get the 4th point.

This team just does not have the will. Losing Stacey (second leading goal scorer) indefinitely does not help.

Nice weekend for the freshman line though

I continue to be encouraged about the future, next year could be a bit scary but I like the incoming classes the next two years on top of this years freshmen.

I figure a split with Mack, split with BU, swept by UNH and split with UML. They will likely finish two games below .500 and about 7th and go to Maine/UNH/UMASS or BC for the playoffs. I would prefer UMASS of all of those possibilities....

Now, we need some snow up here.....

A bit pessimistic I think. I can see a sweep of MC at the Gutt. MC is 0-9-0 on the road this year.
A split with Bu is a good bet, that series is iffy, BU seems to have picked things up quite a bit.
UNH is also iffy, they got swept by a good ME team this weekend, and have been excellent in league but horrible OOC. What does that mean ...I don't know, maybe they were playing over their heads a bit? Getting good bounces ? We got a few weekends to see if they bounce back from the weekend sweep or not. If they do then sweep, if not split.
UML is hard to say, they have not impressed me at all this year. They have lost to some middle of the pack teams and coasted through a weak schedule. Depends on if they go on a run at the end or not. I say split at the worst.

I think that they should end up around .500 probably in 6th or 7th which looks like they will be playing ME or BC. Should also be good for a 4th seed in the NCAA.

This weeks series at MC is huge. MC is a COP in alot of the PWC that UVM is currently using and if they were to sweep MC I believe it makes a difference of 2 PW wins. Haven't figured it out in a while but that's what it was 2-3 weeks ago when I went though them.

Either way the team needs to hit it's stride and finish strong. They will end up on the road for the playoffs but, they can truly be a wild card. They have shown they can play and compete with the best teams in the country when they want to .
 
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I figure a split with Mack, split with BU, swept by UNH and split with UML. They will likely finish two games below .500 and about 7th and go to Maine/UNH/UMASS or BC for the playoffs. I would prefer UMASS of all of those possibilities....
I agree with JCarter, not an overly optimistic assessment. But I know your prediction is based on what they will do and not what they can do. I'll go with a sweep of Mack, a split with BU, a split with UNH, and a 3 point weekend against UML. That may be too much to ask, but I know if things finally come together they can do even better than that!
 
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I agree with JCarter, not an overly optimistic assessment. But I know your prediction is based on what they will do and not what they can do. I'll go with a sweep of Mack, a split with BU, a split with UNH, and a 3 point weekend against UML. That may be too much to ask, but I know if things finally come together they can do even better than that!

I see it more like snwbrdr. MC is 0-9 on the road but leave it to this team to give them their first points. I see a split with BU or UNH and a sweep loss to the other and a split with UML.

Given the way UVM is playing I just don't see them moving up. The Maine series said it all..
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

This team just does not have the will. Losing Stacey (second leading goal scorer) indefinitely does not help. It really hurts when your choices of Stacey's replacment are 1 goal scorers, Marshall or Anctil

I continue to be encouraged about the future, next year could be a bit scary but I like the incoming classes the next two years on top of this years freshmen. I disagree, the future is not really scary but what would be scary is no snow next year and you spending more time on the message boards.

I figure a split with Mack, split with BU, swept by UNH and split with UML. They will likely finish two games below .500 and about 7th and go to Maine/UNH/UMASS or BC for the playoffs. I would prefer UMASS of all of those possibilities.... Could you maybe include NU also in forecast? But yes, UMass would be the best since they roll 2 lines and we could still be rolling 4.

This weeks series at MC is huge. Versus MC at the Gutt... MC is a COP in alot of the PWC that UVM is currently using and if they were to sweep MC I believe it makes a difference of 2 PW wins. Haven't figured it out in a while but that's what it was 2-3 weeks ago when I went though them. 2-3 weeks ago, Ted Kennedy was dead but was still the incumbent in Massachusetts before the Scott Brown win. A lot changes in 2 to 3 weeks but hopefully you will be able to analyze this in the coming weeks.

Given the way UVM is playing I just don't see them moving up. The Maine series said it all..

and the Providence weekend showed even more...a tie against a horrible team when 2 wins were necessary, also says it all....
 
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