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2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Remembering that the 'G' is silent....after watching the video preview of the weekend, Sneddon continues to amaze me with the senselessness of his 'thinking' and coaching.

The team is still working on its leadership at Groundhog Day. Keep up the good work, coach.

Much more ridiculous to me, though, is that he acknowleded that there were a number of stupid penalties taken in the win over UMass. But since the PK erased them all, no problem. Hey coach, the PK can kill the penalty AND you can still bench a player for a stupid penalty, that is, IF YOU EVER WANT TO GET THE STUPID PENALTIES TO STOP. (And yes, I AM yelling!) Pacan, a freshman, can't be benched for his completely stupid penalty in the 1st period right after the team killed one off? Maybe it's just (3 years) too late to start benching Cullity for his stupidity, eh?

Because no PPGs were scored, stupid penalties were OK, but Sneddon will go off for the same penalty if a PPG is scored. How the #u@!* do you stop kids from taking stupid penalties that will eventually kill you?

And 'difference makers,' Sneddon has taken to talking about 'difference makers' over the past week - Viktor Stalberg, Marcou, and Wellman. HEY COACH, you HAVE 'difference makers' right on your own darn team. They just DON'T wear numbers 16 and 17 and 25. If you'd let your top 2 lines play as much as EVERY OTHER TEAM IN HOCKEY lets their top 2 lines play, YOU'LL SEE. Believe me, coach, the coaches you're theoretically coaching against love seeing 16 and 17 and 25 and even 8, 12, and 24 on the ice and 10, 5, and 7 sitting on the bench. Coach, you only have to coach UVM, let the other coach have to worry about defending against your best players.

Remembering that the 'G' is silent, every time I hear Sneddon talk I think he is a well-spoken idiot.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

I like the fact that Sneddon plays all four lines most of the game to keep everyone fresh, depth is one of UVM's strengths

although I do agree that I want the top two or three lines on the ice near the end of the game it's it's close or they are down one or two goals

UVM needs to step up this weekend and get at least 3 points if they are going to make a move in the HE standings that will set them up for a chance to get to the Garden (or whatever it's called these days)
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

grantfan said:
Remembering that the 'G' is silent....after watching the video preview of the weekend, Sneddon continues to amaze me with the senselessness of his 'thinking' and coaching.

The team is still working on its leadership at Groundhog Day. Keep up the good work, coach.

Much more ridiculous to me, though, is that he acknowleded that there were a number of stupid penalties taken in the win over UMass. But since the PK erased them all, no problem. Hey coach, the PK can kill the penalty AND you can still bench a player for a stupid penalty, that is, IF YOU EVER WANT TO GET THE STUPID PENALTIES TO STOP. (And yes, I AM yelling!) Pacan, a freshman, can't be benched for his completely stupid penalty in the 1st period right after the team killed one off? Maybe it's just (3 years) too late to start benching Cullity for his stupidity, eh?

Because no PPGs were scored, stupid penalties were OK, but Sneddon will go off for the same penalty if a PPG is scored. How the #u@!* do you stop kids from taking stupid penalties that will eventually kill you?

And 'difference makers,' Sneddon has taken to talking about 'difference makers' over the past week - Viktor Stalberg, Marcou, and Wellman. HEY COACH, you HAVE 'difference makers' right on your own darn team. They just DON'T wear numbers 16 and 17 and 25. If you'd let your top 2 lines play as much as EVERY OTHER TEAM IN HOCKEY lets their top 2 lines play, YOU'LL SEE. Believe me, coach, the coaches you're theoretically coaching against love seeing 16 and 17 and 25 and even 8, 12, and 24 on the ice and 10, 5, and 7 sitting on the bench. Coach, you only have to coach UVM, let the other coach have to worry about defending against your best players.

Remembering that the 'G' is silent, every time I hear Sneddon talk I think he is a well-spoken idiot.
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Question jcarter, do you personally know Sneddon or his family members? Is that why you created an alias to bash Sneddon with, so he doesn't know it's you?
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

grantfan, I am not sure you have the ability to grasp and understand the complexities of coaching a college level hockey team. Non of us can possibly know or understand the game of hockey as viewed through the eyes of someone who is currently coaching a college team.

Correcting stupid penalties would require that some players sit and with minimal depth on the roster, well that is unlikely to happen.

As far as 16, 17 and 25 playing so much...well, Vermont is a "liberal" state and a "liberal" university, thus everyone should be equal or attempts should be made to allow for equal playing time. For all we know, the coaching staff might be operating under some state mandated guideline(s) that require equal pay for equal time...or something to that effect. And somehow the coaching staff much apply these principals in order to continue to receive state funding.

Just a thought...
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Despite being almost excessively bright and insightful with an inate ability to understand the simple game that is ice hockey, despite that, I read with an open mind and try to learn from anyone, including jcarter and observer85.

So, when my full yet open mind reads recent entries in which it is stated that one of UVM's strengths is depth (snwbrdr) and that UVM operates with only "minimal depth" (observer85), even someone of my immense intelligence and understanding becomes confused.

I am inclined to agree with snwbrdr on the issue of depth when I see 16, 17, and 25 on the ice and remember that, statistically speaking, I have almost as much chance of scoring a goal as any of them. I am currently 1 goal behind each of them. Hey, me and 16 were tied until this past weekend. And it isn't as if they are a checking line assigned to the other team's top line, though it is always scary seeing them on the ice against players that COULD score a goal.

Snwbrdr, did Marcou or Wellman or Syner look anything but fresh after playing the whole game 2 games in a row? I expect you will say yes, to which I will only point out that they never stopped playing and Sneddon never stopped worrying about them. Sneddon is at his very best when he's calling timeouts after the other team's timeout in efforts to protect a 2-goal lead ('the most dangerous in hockey,' idiots like to say) with 30 seconds left. At that precise moment even I admit there are none better.

The abundant depth is further evidenced by the coach's ability to replace any given forward with Ben Albertson or Brett Leonard and any defenseman with Dan Lawson, Anders Franzon, or Lance Herrington. Oh, yeah, Sneddon wouldn't possibly replace anyone with Albertson, Leonard, or Herrington. So that leaves replacing Lawson with Franzon and then Franzon with Lawson. Oh, the personnel choices to be made. Oh, the life of a college hockey coach.

The depth this coach has stockpiled is quite impressive and certain to keep any player from taking stupid penalties, not trying his hardest, not following the game plan, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

People, why not just respond to points about hockey? Attacks without even lip service to the hockey points - remember, you can disagree and even think I'm an idiot - tell me only that you wish things were different than I stated. If you're just going to attack grantfan, at least call it a racist or a homophobe, something that will hurt its feelings and truly brandish it an outcast.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

grantfan said:
People, why not just respond to points about hockey? Attacks without even lip service to the hockey points - remember, you can disagree and even think I'm an idiot - tell me only that you wish things were different than I stated. If you're just going to attack grantfan, at least call it a racist or a homophobe, something that will hurt its feelings and truly brandish it an outcast.
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Did you just refer to yourself in the third person??

Wow.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

The jcarter/grantfan multiple personalities argument belongs in the USCHO Hall of Fame.

Whose side would AdidasJerry be on? Is he done with finals yet?
 
Re: 2009-2010 Official Vermont Season Thread : The Sequel

Maybe I just picked the wrong season to try to find fault with the great, infallible and beyond reproach Kevin Sneddon.

Other coaches take the blame for their teams not coming out ready to play in the first period, but not Sneddon. To be fair, though, he sends out Miller and Cullity and sometimes the puck comes to one of them and sometimes it's the other team's best player they hand it to, so you can't really blame Sneddon. At least, I won't for tonight's first abortion, I mean, UMaine goal.

The Cats got away with penalties against UMass so there was really nothing to address in the area of discipline. Didn't get away with it as well tonight, but I don't think penalties are a concern. Cullity's double minor was classic, you know he 'knew' the ref wouldn't call a second penalty against him so he snapped a guy's stick with a slash, but then son of a gun, he got called for 2 minors. Bad reffing, good D, good captaining. The really neat thing about Cullity, and who would know it better than his coach, is that you never have to say anything to Patrick after his idiocy, he knows he messed up and nobody feels worse than him. Well, fans and I'm sure teammates feel worse, like ****ed off, but you know what I mean.

It may just be ***** time to bench his sorry *****, even if it's 3 years too late.

Has the 4 forward/Medvec PP become quite predictable and horse crap enough for you yet? Hey, I missed Marshall on the other PP unit tonight.

I loved this almost best of all...3rd period, 8:27 left on the clock, UMaine 5 - UVM 3. We're almost in it, right? So, out for Maine skates Nyquist, Flynn, and House and out for UVM skates 16, 17, and 25. Like snwbrdr, though, I like when all 4 lines play, it makes use of the team's great depth and keeps other players fresh. Presumably for the stick salute to the empty seats after a brutal home loss in an important game that the coach couldn't get his team prepared for.

I stand corrected. Sneddon is doing a great job this season.
 
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Seems like it would be prudent to wait until after the 2nd game of the weekend to post the bewilderment that this group of players seem to bring to their faithful. But many thoughts run through my mind...

1) Will Lawson and Herrington have a chance to play on Saturday? They should, both of them. Will the coach have the guts to sit one of his captains - the one with 3 penalties in tonights game?

2) Will Leonard finally get a chance to replace 16 or 25 or 17? Unless he just will not be allowed out of the dog house, he can't be any worst than these 3.

3) Will Irwin ever pass the puck on the PP? This guy is seriously in love with his shot. Any puck movement on this PP unit comes to a screeching halt when the puck hits the blade of his stick. Like Melrose said last weekend, if Irwin wants to shoot from the blue line on the PP, the other team will let him do it all game long. Although Irwin leads the team in scoring, if he were to pass the puck more, I have to believe he would have at least double the assists he currently has. Afterall, he plays on a non PP line with a pure goal scorer, Justin Milo. Then he might actually be a Hobey candidate.

At least the Milo/Stacey PP unit keeps the puck down low with good passing. Was that a great pass by MacKenzie to Milo on the 1st goal or what?

4) Is Downing going to be back in the lineup? It would be a shame to move McCarthy off that line with Roloff and Stacey, they move the puck so well. Perhaps Irwin would be a better fit with Higgins/Marshall. Since neither of these 2 can score, maybe Irwin can hog the puck on this line...since he does not really like to pass.

5) Will the coaching staff get any sleep tonight? Should they?
 
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OUCH !!!

Grantfan, I will agree with you on one of your hockey points. Cullity is a liability when he is on the ice. Why he got a "c" is beyond me. He has always taken penalty after penalty. UVM gets called for one its a toss of the coin if it will be Cullity or one of the other 18 guys. He has throughout his career consistently take bad penalties. I think he needs to ride some pine for a game or two until he can control himself a tad better. It maybe 3 years too late, but there are still a lot of big games for the cats and they can't afford him on the ice.
 
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observer85 said:
1) Will Lawson and Herrington have a chance to play on Saturday? They should, both of them. Will the coach have the guts to sit one of his captains - the one with 3 penalties in tonights game?

2) Will Leonard finally get a chance to replace 16 or 25 or 17? Unless he just will not be allowed out of the dog house, he can't be any worst than these 3.

3) Will Irwin ever pass the puck on the PP? This guy is seriously in love with his shot. Any puck movement on this PP unit comes to a screeching halt when the puck hits the blade of his stick. Like Melrose said last weekend, if Irwin wants to shoot from the blue line on the PP, the other team will let him do it all game long. Although Irwin leads the team in scoring, if he were to pass the puck more, I have to believe he would have at least double the assists he currently has. Afterall, he plays on a non PP line with a pure goal scorer, Justin Milo. Then he might actually be a Hobey candidate.

At least the Milo/Stacey PP unit keeps the puck down low with good passing. Was that a great pass by MacKenzie to Milo on the 1st goal or what?

4) Is Downing going to be back in the lineup? It would be a shame to move McCarthy off that line with Roloff and Stacey, they move the puck so well. Perhaps Irwin would be a better fit with Higgins/Marshall. Since neither of these 2 can score, maybe Irwin can hog the puck on this line...since he does not really like to pass.

5) Will the coaching staff get any sleep tonight? Should they?
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1.) Sneddon should bench Cullity but it's doubtful

2.) I think this one is a good possibility. Put Leonard in the Line up

3.) Irwin is a shooter, that's his job although he needs to pass once in awhile to keep the D guessing. And I still think Melrose is a bafoon.

4.) I expect to see Downing playing tonight. His suspension is up so I see no reason he wouldn't. McCarthy and Stacey have played well together, I think that's a good line and agree stick Downing somewhere else.

5.) Sneddon sleeps but dreams that the entire team is in the penalty box and it's just Madore on the ice for the cats against the entire Maine team.
 
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That Miller to Cullity bad pass/turnover for the first UM goal was horrendous.

The Irwin turnover for the 4th UM goal was just as bad. Maybe worse given the timing.

Cullity should sit. I think they might miss his emotion but they certainly don't need the penalties. Kind of looking forward to next year without his idiot penalties. He's predictable - you can sense them coming.

The UVM powerplay is HORRENDOUS. That is my only valid complaint with the coaching staff. They could not get it in the zone for better than half of them last night. Hire a consultant, do something. It's so bad I don't want them to have PP's any more because it gives the other team momentum.

Great pass from McCarthy to Milo for the second goal. McCarthy needs to get a little stronger in the corners but he is going to be a great playmaker over the next three years.

They had some nice momentum in the 3rd. Somebody beat Darling and rang a nice opportunity off the iron around the 8 minute mark IIRC. If that goes in it's really an interesting game.

The final UM goal was a 4 on 1 as three PK cats were caught up ice on an add man rush and turned it over high in the zone (and were spent on that shift also). If only UVM could have executed the shorty it would have been interesting.

Stalberg is looking SO much better than the first half. The freshman line was the best line last night. Gives me hope for the future, meanwhile the seniors were a collective disappointment last night.

We are not seeing enough step up from Roloff, Vock and Irwin. Irwin never looked dangerous to me once last night.

Home ice is gone. They need to concentrate on winning some games and finishing 5th or 6th and having a shot at winning a road QF or their PWR will be gone also and they'll have an early summer. This year is looking like its possibly going to be their worst HE finish yet. That will be unfortunate.

Have to keep everything in perspective. Under Gilligan UVM would still be in the bottom third of EZAC. I'll take fighting for a spot in the middle of HE.

Let's hope they come out and play tonight.
 
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snwbrdr said:
The UVM powerplay is HORRENDOUS. That is my only valid complaint with the coaching staff. They could not get it in the zone for better than half of them last night. Hire a consultant, do something. It's so bad I don't want them to have PP's any more because it gives the other team momentum.
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I don't remember how long ago it was maybe two years ago, but the power play was so terrible that Sneddon just played it like a 5 on 5, keeping the regular lines together on the power play. He may want to revert back to that strategy. For the most part they tend to play better then their opponent 5 on 5. I agree with you there are times you see a penalty called and it's almost a dissappointment because you know another terrible PP is coming. They definitely need to do something. The PP is certainly a valid complaint. It is the same tired PP, try something, anything..... and I'm not talking line changes but the setup.
 
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observer85 said:
As far as 16, 17 and 25 playing so much...well, Vermont is a "liberal" state and a "liberal" university, thus everyone should be equal or attempts should be made to allow for equal playing time. For all we know, the coaching staff might be operating under some state mandated guideline(s) that require equal pay for equal time...or something to that effect. And somehow the coaching staff much apply these principals in order to continue to receive state funding.

Just a thought...
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This is without a doubt the most insane thing I have ever read on this board.

Or my inability to pick up sarcam on a message board has struck again.
 
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