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2009-2010 Hockey East Playoff Picture

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--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 32 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
UC 23 - 33 [1-6]
PC 24 - 32 [1-5]
NU 23 - 31 [1-6]
UNH 20 - 30 [1-6]
BU 20 - 28 [1-6]
--- In - 19 (Can't be caught by bottom 2) ---
BC 16 - 24 [2-8]
UVM 11 - 19 [6-8]
UMO 10 - 18[6-8]
--- Out - 16 (Can't catch #6) ---

UNH - 12 pts lost; 5 games remaining
UC - 09 pts lost; 5 games remaining
PC - 10 pts lost; 4 games remaining
BC - 18 pts lost; 4 games remaining
BU - 14 pts lost; 4 games remaining
NU - 11 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UMO - 24 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UVM - 23 pts lost; 4 games remaining

BU secures the 5th playoff spot with their win over UNH and Vermont's win over Maine.

Providence can finish no worse than 5th due to the H2H tiebreaker over BC.

BC can finish no better than 2nd.

UVM and Maine can finish no better than 6th.

UConn controls their own destiny.
 
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--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 32 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
PC 24 - 32 [1-5]
UC 23 - 31 [1-6]
NU 23 - 31 [1-6]
UNH 22 - 30 [1-6]
BU 20 - 28 [1-6]
--- In - 20 (Can't be caught by bottom 2) ---
BC 16 - 24 [2-8]
UVM 11 - 19 [6-8]
UMO 10 - 18[6-8]
--- Out - 16 (Can't catch #6) ---

UNH - 12 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UC - 11 pts lost; 4 games remaining
PC - 10 pts lost; 4 games remaining
BC - 18 pts lost; 4 games remaining
BU - 14 pts lost; 4 games remaining
NU - 11 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UMO - 24 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UVM - 23 pts lost; 4 games remaining

Not much new as all games in hand have been made up. Nobody seems to want #1 this year, as UConn gives control back to Providence after the loss to UNH.
 
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--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 31 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
PC 26 - 32 [1-5]
NU 23 - 31 [1-6]
UNH 22 - 30 [1-6]
UC 24 - 29 [1-5]
BU 20 - 28 [1-6]
--- In - 20 (Can't be caught by bottom 2) ---
BC 18 - 24 [3-7]
UVM 11 - 19 [6-8]
--- Out - 18 (Can't catch #6) ---
UMO 10 - 16[7-8]

UNH - 12 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UC - 12 pts lost; 3 games remaining
PC - 10 pts lost; 3 games remaining
BC - 18 pts lost; 3 games remaining
BU - 14 pts lost; 4 games remaining
NU - 11 pts lost; 4 games remaining
UMO - 26 pts lost; 3 games remaining
UVM - 23 pts lost; 4 games remaining

After their loss to BC today Maine is officially eliminated from the playoffs.

BC, as a result, can finish no worse than 7th. They cannot, however, finish any better than 3rd. Even if they won out, they would lose the "conference wins" tiebreaker to UConn.

UConn, due to the "conference wins" tiebreaker over BC, can finish no worse than 5th.
 
Re: 2009-2010 Hockey East Playoff Picture

--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 30 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
PC 26 - 30 [1-5]
UNH 24 - 30 [1-6]
NU 24 - 30 [1-5]
UC 26 - 29 [1-5]
BU 22 - 28 [1-6]
BC 20 - 24 [4-6]
--- In - 20 (Can't be caught by bottom 2) ---
--- Out - 20 (Can't catch #6) ---
UVM 11 - 17 [7-8]
UMO 10 - 14[7-8]

UNH - 12 pts lost; 3 games remaining
UC - 12 pts lost; 2 games remaining
PC - 12 pts lost; 2 games remaining
BC - 18 pts lost; 2 games remaining
BU - 14 pts lost; 3 games remaining
NU - 12 pts lost; 3 games remaining
UMO - 28 pts lost; 2 games remaining
UVM - 25 pts lost; 3 games remaining

And the field is set. BCs win over Maine puts them into the playoffs. UVM is now eliminated.

BC can finish no better than 4th due to the H2H tiebreaker with NU. NU can finish no worse than 5th.

It is possible, although unlikely, that there could be a 3-way tie for 1st place. In that situation, PC would take the #1 seed, UNH the #2, and NU the #3.
 
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Freak, do you know what would happen in the case of a 3-way tie for first place if UConn, PC, and UNH all win their remaining games? I'm curious what the tiebreaker would be...in head to head competion, PC swept UNH, UNH swept UConn, and PC has a loss and two shootout wins vs UConn.
 
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PC would be 0-1-2 vs. UCONN since Shootouts are ties, not wins.

granted they are listed as shootout wins
 
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since we all would eliminate each other, the 2nd tiebreaker is league wins, so we'd say UNH would be in 1st, UCONN 2nd and PC 3rd. (Due to UCONN's record vs. PC)
 
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from hockeyeastonline.com

HOCKEY EAST TIEBREAKERS

1. Head-to-head results between the tied teams

2. Number of wins in conference play

3. Best record against the first-place team(s), then the second-place team(s), then the third-place team(s), and so on

4. Coin flip

If more than two teams finish in a tie, the same criteria will be applied to reduce the number of teams tied, and then the process will commence again.
 
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whoop87 said:
Freak, do you know what would happen in the case of a 3-way tie for first place if UConn, PC, and UNH all win their remaining games? I'm curious what the tiebreaker would be...in head to head competion, PC swept UNH, UNH swept UConn, and PC has a loss and two shootout wins vs UConn.
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As KazooMonkey said, the shootout wins would be considered ties for tiebreaker purposes. If you go to the Hockey East website and click on "Standings" at the top, it breaks down the H2H matchups so far, with SOW counting as ties.

In a 3-way tie, the tiebreakers would be applied the same as in a 2-way tie, EXCEPT...

The H2H tiebreaker is applied as "results between the tied teams." In other words, the team with the best COMBINED record vs the other two would win the H2H tiebreaker.

In this case PC would be 4-1-1, UNH would be 2-3-1, and NU would be 1-3-2.

BUT...there is one other key thing. Tiebreakers among more than 2 teams are used to REDUCE the number of teams tied, and then the process starts over with the remaining teams.

SO...

PC would be #1 via the combined H2H.

Tiebreakers would then start over to break the tie between UNH and NU. UNH would win that H2H 2-0-1.

That last is important, because suppose that NU had instead gone 2-0-1 vs PC. That would make the combined records 3-2-1 for PC, 2-2-2 for NU, and 2-3-1 for UNH.

But NU would still be 3rd, despite having the 2nd best combined H2H results, because the tiebreaker is only used to reduce the tied teams. NU would then still lose the H2H vs UNH.

Hope I didn't make things more confusing... :o
 
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:eek: Sorry, I thought the original question was about PC, UNH, and NU, which are the 3 teams that would be tied if each won out.

So, to answer the original question, as it stands now PC, UNH, and UConn CANNOT finish tied if they each won out. PC and UNH can earn a maximum of 30 pts, while UConn can earn only 29 pts.
 
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UNHKazooMonkey said:
since we all would eliminate each other, the 2nd tiebreaker is league wins, so we'd say UNH would be in 1st, UCONN 2nd and PC 3rd. (Due to UCONN's record vs. PC)
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Nope.

Forgetting for a moment that the 3 cannot tie if they win out...

UNH: 3-3-0...6 pts
UConn: 1-3-2...4 pts
PC: 3-1-2...8 pts

PC would win the #1 seed.

The tiebreaker would then start over, and UNH would be #2 on the H2H vs UConn.
 
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I have no idea who to root for from BC's perspective.

Crazy.

Basically, all I want is for UNH to not finish 1st or 3rd. 2nd, 4th... fine by me... and any other 3rd place finisher aside from UNH is okay by me as well, although my preference would be Northeastern.

Of course, if BC somehow snags some points out of the UNH series, we could theoretically move up in the standings too.

Crazy! Should be a fun last week.
 
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--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 30 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
PC 26 - 30 [1-5]
UNH 26 - 30 [1-5]
UC 26 - 29 [1-5]
NU 24 - 28 [1-5]
BU 24 - 28 [1-5]
BC 20 - 24 [6]
--- In - 20 (Can't be caught by bottom 2) ---
--- Out - 20 (Can't catch #6) ---
UVM 11 - 15 [7-8]
UMO 10 - 14[7-8]

UNH - 12 pts lost; 2 games remaining
UC - 13 pts lost; 2 games remaining
PC - 12 pts lost; 2 games remaining
BC - 18 pts lost; 2 games remaining
BU - 14 pts lost; 2 games remaining
NU - 14 pts lost; 2 games remaining
UMO - 28 pts lost; 2 games remaining
UVM - 27 pts lost; 2 games remaining

UNH and BU can now finish no worse than 5th.

BC is the #6 seed as they would lose the H2H tiebreaker vs BU.

One weekend left, and the Top 5 teams can finish anywhere from 1st to 5th.
 
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freak said:
--- #1/#2 Seed Lock - 30 (Can't be caught by #3) ---
--- #3/#4 Seed Lock - 29 (Can't be caught by #5) ---
PC 26 - 30 [1-5]
UNH 26 - 30 [1-5]
UC 26 - 29 [1-5]
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Freak, can you double-check UConn? If they have 2 games left, I would think that their maximum points would be 30, not 29. What am I missing?
 
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scrambledlegs said:
Freak, can you double-check UConn? If they have 2 games left, I would think that their maximum points would be 30, not 29. What am I missing?
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I agree. And with all three able to reach 30 points it means that none of them can clinch the top seed without help. Winning out is not enough, as all three win and lose a tiebreaker in a head-to-head.

If all three tie with 30 (or 29) points then the three-way tiebreaker is used:
PC: 3-1-2
UNH: 3-3
UC: 1-3-2
UConn is dropped and PC and UNH go head-to-head:
PC: 3-0
UNH: 0-3
PC is seeded 1st, UNH 2nd and UConn 3rd.

If PC and UNH finished tied for first PC is seeded 1st and UNH 2nd (same as above)

If PC and UConn finished tied for first UConn is seeded 1st and PC 2nd:
PC: 0-1-2
UC: 1-0-2

If UConn and UNH finish tied for first UNH is seeded 1st and UConn 2nd:
UNH: 3-0-0
UC: 0-3-0

In 25 years of following college hockey I don't recall this situation occurring before.

Sean
 
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That makes my head spin, but I love it.

Does anyone have time to run out every possible finishing order scenario for the games this wkd.?
 
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scrambled,

Youre right...I must have dropped their extra pt for the SOW.

Sean,

You're not applying the tiebreakers correctly.

It is the combined head to head records among the tied teams. The tiebreakers are used to reduce the number of tied teams, and then the process starts over with the remaining teams.

So PC would have the best combined h2h results and would be #1.

The process then starts over with UNH and UConn, which UNH would take h2h at 3-0-0.


Same order as you figured, but you just applied the tiebreaker incorrectly.
 
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I realize that this is the "playoff picture" thread, so the tiebreakers apply. But for the purpose of the regular season championship, are two or three teams tied for first declared to be co or tri champions?
 
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ARM said:
I realize that this is the "playoff picture" thread, so the tiebreakers apply. But for the purpose of the regular season championship, are two or three teams tied for first declared to be co or tri champions?
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Just UConn.
 
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freak said:
You're not applying the tiebreakers correctly.
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freak, in the past the league has stated that they would drop the bottom team(s) first and then reapply the H2H with the remaining teams. See page two of this Hockey East press release which shows that in three and four way ties the team with the worst H2H is eliminated first and then the H2H is reapplied for the remaining teams.

Sean
 
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