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12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrated?

Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

I knew that would be the answer...just seeing if there were any other reasons. Nice link good to see you haven't lost your touch.
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

My wife and I were X-mas shopping in Stowe yesterday and I saw this cute wooden sign. Sign read something similar to

OZ
I took Dorothy’s slippers and have gone home
TOTO

Maybe we need to substitute Hobart’s time clock for slippers:)
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

Two things. All you guys need to go be music teachers if you have an internal metronome that good. I've known very few people that can count down exact seconds let alone tenths of seconds in their head and then while watching the exciting end of a game???

Second...Unless you were sitting in the Hobart end of the rink, you could not be watching the clock and play at the same time. Unless you were directly behind the play, like the reff was. The reff was in PERFECT position. You guys want to keep talking about the "listen to him counting down"...fine...clock it. He counts down 3.2.1 in about 1.85 seconds...you counted down 3 seconds in less then 2. Even go back to the "10 seconds to go" and stop watch it. Not even close. (No offense guys it’s a tough job and call).

As someone with no dog in the fight, and from my spot which was just right of the scoreboard and a clear path to both the clock and goal, it wasn't no 2 seconds after the clock was 0. I realize the green glasses really are hard to look through but it wasn't even close. Should the reffs put .1 - .5 seconds left and dropped the puck? Sure, but why? Would it have made either team feel that much better?

The better team clearly won. Even after last night I am not sold on Hobart one bit. Oswego "should" have won that game by an easy 3-4 goals. They really got the case of the Plattsburgh fumbles and just couldn’t capitalize. Broadwater played well, but Oswego just plain and simple missed some empty shots. They had more odd-man rushes in the first period then most teams do all game. Even after the rush, they got back on D and limited Hobart. 5 on 5 it wasn't even close till Hobart got that 1st goal, then it was like a light switch went on. There was some horrible passing by the Hobart D. I was starting to wonder if they thought Hobart and Oswego switched jerseys by the number of tape-to-tape passes they gave to the Lakers.
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

Fine. I will give it to them with somewhere of .2 to .5 seconds left. Either way.. we win and that's all that really matters.
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

joecct said:
Let me let you in on a little secret -- there are ways of keeping time and there are ways of keeping time. If my team is ahead in the late seconds, my finger is real close to the start button. If we're behind, it's a bit farther away and a tad slower to turn it on. Very few can discern a 1/10 - 2/10th of a second delay in starting the clock.

And in late news - St. Thomas shut out Hamline 2-0 (per the UST web page)
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Oh, no need to fill me in on that little secret. I'm the clock operator for Siena's home games, and I certainly try to be fair about it (my thumb never leaves the switch while the puck is in play or the officials are lined up for a faceoff), but certainly, there's always going to be some discrepancy (although I'd say anything over a half second is a lot). That said, the rule is always what time is on the clock, regardless of whatever discrepancies occurred though the period.

Here's a fun one, if we're going to talk about starting the clocks to the 0:00.1 - When does the clock start? When the official releases the puck? When the puck hits the ice? When the players touch the puck? If we clock operators were perfect robots that could flip the switch with exact precision, wouldn't that be an important bit of information?
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Here's a fun one, if we're going to talk about starting the clocks to the 0:00.1 - When does the clock start? When the official releases the puck? When the puck hits the ice? When the players touch the puck?
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I bet UCBadger - down to the decimal....:D
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Oh, no need to fill me in on that little secret. I'm the clock operator for Siena's home games, and I certainly try to be fair about it (my thumb never leaves the switch while the puck is in play or the officials are lined up for a faceoff), but certainly, there's always going to be some discrepancy (although I'd say anything over a half second is a lot). That said, the rule is always what time is on the clock, regardless of whatever discrepancies occurred though the period.

Here's a fun one, if we're going to talk about starting the clocks to the 0:00.1 - When does the clock start? When the official releases the puck? When the puck hits the ice? When the players touch the puck? If we clock operators were perfect robots that could flip the switch with exact precision, wouldn't that be an important bit of information?
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Once I see the puck, I start the clock....
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

As somebody who has run the clock at the college level and also many, many high school and Middle School games: there are so many different things that can happen with the clock....Here is one example: a penalty is taken with no time left on the clock, so you start the next period with two minutes on the penalty clock: I stop the clock with 18 minutes left in the period, so the penalty should be over right???? NO Because I could stop the clock with 18 9/10 of a second and the clock would read 18 minutes but there is still .09 left in the penalty.....


I had a similar situation happen to me in a high school playoff game that happened in the game last night, the Road team scored to win the game with .2 seconds left, I saw the puck go in and tried to stop the clock but was unable to and the buzzer went off....I am willing to bet this is what happened last night but the situation with what happened to me is that the refs came over the ask me and I told them what I saw and then they signaled goal....The whole home team went nuts, parents in the penalty box starting swearing at me and pounding on the glass....Next season, they basically told me to shove it and got somebody else to run the clock.....So does it pay to be impartial??? Pretty good question.....
 
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UCBadger said:
NCAA Rule 81- Faceoffs does not mention when the clock starts....................
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You are told as a clock operator once you see the puck to start the clock....Or I think you are??? Everybody has their own style....
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

hockeyfan77 said:
Once I see the puck, I start the clock....
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With me the earlier of when it hits the ice or is touched. Now the difference between the two is miniscule, but if it gets whacked on the way down, the clock starts a tad earlier than if it make it all the way down.
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

What the heck has happened to Hamline?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hamline win the MIAC and have the national player of the year two years ago and now they are winless in 13 games?
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

joecct said:
With me the earlier of when it hits the ice or is touched. Now the difference between the two is miniscule, but if it gets whacked on the way down, the clock starts a tad earlier than if it make it all the way down.
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Yeah, this is what I usually do. It's hard to base it off when the ref drops the pucks, because some officials like to "fake" dropping the puck 1 or 2 times (I once saw one noticeably move his hand with the puck as if dropping it 3 times in a row, stopped to talk to the 2 centers, faked it again, and this time one of the two reacted to the motion and got waived out... tell me how that is in any way reasonable, please...), so it's easy to react to that and be wrong. So yeah, once the puck touches something (ice, stick, player, etc) after being dropped, I flip the switch.
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

Lost in all this clock talk is all the puck watching the Lakers were doing on that last sequence. It is a habit that has burned them in the past, Amherst in Placid for an example. Carr was the D Man in front of the net and he stayed home which was great but he left the forward on the back door completely untouched and focused solely on the puck. They have got to stop doing that late in games because eventually the overtime heroics will be provided by the other team.
 
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LakerAlum09 said:
I glanced up I saw 4 and change and it still was not off the boards. I counted down in my head watching the play. That must have been the slowest 4 seconds known to man or someone hit the pause button. No way that was a legit goal, but turns out it didn't matter in the end.
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Now this is the most absurd thing I ever heard...
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

A) Video shows goal was in before clock expired. I watched the Hobart tape, puck was in before horn goes. Video might be up tomorrow. And though they should have dropped the puck but to drop the puck with less than a second left would be pointless and lets the teams rest up and prepare for OT.

B) Hobart did not play Richard-Michel, both have been the top D-Pair all year, Clarke who has been strong the past few weeks, Stevens who has been out all year and ditto Rudy. Hannah was banged up. This was not a Hobart team that was 100%.

Let's also not kid ourselves with thinking Oswego "deserved" to win that game or they could have blown Hobart out. One of Oz's goals occurs because player breaks his stick and goes to the bench and timing was perfect as Oz finally was able to get it out of the zone on the play. This game could have gone either way very easily. Hare and Broadwater were both outstanding making huge saves to keep it close. End of the day, both teams were pretty evenly matched. Oz scores on two breakaways essentially and Hobart ties it in the last 1:51. Both teams will be up there end of the year and it was a great game.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
He could be the greatest announcer in the world. It doesn't change what I said.
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Are you the greatest journalist in the world, no. That being said no one is perfect or above the rest and that has always been my view and I'm sticking with it. I know I'm not perfect in my trade and anyone in my field who says they are...well they are lying :)
 
Re: 12/8/12 - Will Cooler Heads prevail? Opportunity @ Mars. SCORES! RANTS! Overrat

Hockeyfan2113,
My brother and I both agreed that we may meet at the end of the year in the NCAA's. That would be quite interesting who would get home ice and all but that is eons away.

Hobart played a great game and Broadwater has been a fantastic goalie in my eyes for the last four years. Going off your post of how Hobart was banged up, so was Oswego. Not sure if you knew or not but our captain Jon Whitelaw and one of our better offensive weapons and point man on the PP was out and has been out for weeks. Luke Moodie our second leading scorer was banged up pretty good from the night before. We had no healthy scratches as Kim-Swallow is out as well as Peter Rodrigues who has been out for some time. I'm sure at this point in the season there are a few others who have bumps and bruises as does every team.

So I think both teams were even on that front. We (Oswego) had a D man playing forward at times the last two nights and there was a lot of shifting of lines. So one thing I can agree on with you is that both teams will be looking different down the road and will be NCAA Tourney contenders.
 
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