117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

[psych]

The highly educated we have. We need the middle educated: bidness degree from Square State University, owns a hardware store, a shoe store, a furniture store. The National Retail Federation's clients. In a word: Main Street.

Right now those people are still Republicans because they're terrified of socialism and, to be fair, their racist AF. But the latter is changing. Retail America outside of the behemoths is becoming much more diverse. It used to be those middle level businesses were only run by POC in NYC, Chicago, and LA, but now it's true in every large city and even second tier cities in whitey states. Retail America is starting top look like all of America and pretty soon small business will be 50/50.

We need all those folks as Dems.

When I say highly educated, I mean at least a bachelor’s degree. Living in Kentucky, a bachelor’s degree is highly educated. If you’re talking master’s or higher, I agree we have most of them. I’m thinking suburbanites. Let’s get more of them and keep them permanently. I think we can, and I obviously hope we will.

 

[psych]

You know I put that in there because I knew you wouldn't actually read what I posted...

If you think Biden isnt out selling the bill you are either not paying attention or only watching Right Wing Media. FFS the bill is even popular with Republican voters...you think they are learning about it from reading Green Eggs and Ham? Every time he is on TV he talks about it. (I am sure it will be discussed in depth when he does his national address on COVID) It comes up at Psaki's PCs. Twitter is damned near spammed with mentions about it from media types, politcos, the administration and Biden himself. That is why the Right stopped whining about it they don't control the narrative on this one and haven't really since it hit the Senate.

Sorry but if you aren't seeing it that is because you aren't paying attention.

CNN displayed a chyron a few minutes ago that read: Democrats Pass Popular Covid Bill With 0 Republican Votes. Keep hammering that sh-t home. Every. Damn. Day. Republicans don’t give a fuck about your families. 0. Fucks.

 

[Kepler]

When I say highly educated, I mean at least a bachelor’s degree. Living in Kentucky, a bachelor’s degree is highly educated. If you’re talking master’s or higher, I agree we have most of them. I’m thinking suburbanites. Let’s get more of them and keep them permanently. I think we can, and I obviously hope we will.

Got it.

I think of:

highly educated: med school, PhD, tier 1 BA
educated: business, engineering, or law degree, other BA
undereducated: no BA
uneducated: no HS diploma

My estimate of the breakdown:

POC

highly educated: 90% Dem
educated: 90% Dem
undereducated: 80% Dem
uneducated: 70% Dem

White

highly educated: 90% Dem
educated: 70% Dem
undereducated: 40% Dem
uneducated: 20% Dem

 

[rufus]

I respectfully disagree. Far as I can tell, Handy appears to be a highly educated middle-class white man living in the suburbs of a light blue state. He’s exactly who Biden needs to be targeting. We all know Handy is a progressive Democrat, but his neighbors may not be. You are absolutely free to be worried that Democrats are going to fuck up the PR on this, but I think Biden has learned an assload from his time in the Senate and as Veep to Obama. I think he’s going to execute this better than almost anyone else.

So yeah. Handy, an avowed progressive Democrat, does not need to be bombarded with emails from other progressive Democrats telling him what a great thing this bill is for him. That's preaching to the choir.

His neighbors, as you say, yes, they need to be getting that message. Presumably from other sources than Handy, who's a flaming Commie socialist in their eyes. Also, presumably, his neighbors aren't on the same Progressive email chains that Handy is, so there need to be more widespread and far-ranging methods of getting that news out to them.

So get the word out. To as many outlets and voices and common citizens that you can, using every resource available.

 

[Kepler]

Blunt out. It's MO so expect the next Senator to be 1000x worse. Maybe we'll get another Qhristian.

 

[MissThundercat]

Got it.

I think of:

highly educated: med school, PhD, tier 1 BA
educated: business, engineering, or law degree, other BA
undereducated: no BA
uneducated: no HS diploma

My estimate of the breakdown:

POC

highly educated: 90% Dem
educated: 90% Dem
undereducated: 80% Dem
uneducated: 70% Dem

White

highly educated: 90% Dem
educated: 70% Dem
undereducated: 40% Dem
uneducated: 20% Dem

Amongst the queer community, I'd say 95% of us are Dem, only because we don't have a further left party to lean on.

As for education: I'm Amber Marie, trans woman, LGBTQIA rights and DV/SA survivors advocate and activist. I live in Michigan and am grateful for places like Grand Rapids, Marquette, Lansing, Flint, and Detroit, which provided enough cover to get us a Dem governor and turn us blue last November. I have my bachelor's in psychology from Northern Michigan and am blasting through my MSW from Denver University. However, I work a retail job because it's what I could get at the moment.

And I'll be real with you. Being educated and working class and watching myself and my peers be routinely dismissed as "uneducated flyover fatties..." doesn't do you any favors. Reverend Lovejoy once asked "what have I done to lose them?" And if I remember that episode correctly, one of the saints came off the walls and said "the real question is, what have you done to KEEP them?" At one time, Dems had the working class. The messaging was strong. It was direct. It was powerful. But you went away from that and Republicans slid right in.

 

[St. Clown]

And I'll be real with you. Being educated and working class and watching myself and my peers be routinely dismissed as "uneducated flyover fatties..." doesn't do you any favors. Reverend Lovejoy once asked "what have I done to lose them?" And if I remember that episode correctly, one of the saints came off the walls and said "the real question is, what have you done to KEEP them?" At one time, Dems had the working class. The messaging was strong. It was direct. It was powerful. But you went away from that and Republicans slid right in.

But being contemptibly dismissed, even when claiming to wrap it all in humor, has only ever built a feeling of appreciation and affinity reflected back towards you from the targeted group. It's clearly you, not him...

 

[Kepler]

Amongst the queer community, I'd say 95% of us are Dem, only because we don't have a further left party to lean on.

LGBTQ are honorarily non-white. I can't imagine why any LGBTQ person would every be right wing. Not a lot of Jewish Nazis.

And women skew another 10 left across the board.

 

[Kepler]

And I'll be real with you. Being educated and working class and watching myself and my peers be routinely dismissed as "uneducated flyover fatties..." doesn't do you any favors. Reverend Lovejoy once asked "what have I done to lose them?" And if I remember that episode correctly, one of the saints came off the walls and said "the real question is, what have you done to KEEP them?" At one time, Dems had the working class. The messaging was strong. It was direct. It was powerful. But you went away from that and Republicans slid right in.

The white working class left the Dems as much as the Dems left the white working class. I'm old enough to remember the Macomb, MI betrayal and the Reagan Dems.

Turned out after 40 years of defending working class interests all it took to peel off blue collar whites to the GOP was an avuncular imbecile and Lee Atwater's racist political ads.

Working class and midwestern whites had opposable thumbs. They could count. They have only themselves to blame that they voted their race hatred and cut their own throats as a result. No pandering -- when they figure it out, we're here. Coastal liberals have been demonized by the center white Dems for fifty years and we didn't peace out.

Big girl panties. It's life and death, not feewies. If midwestern whites want to sob they should look at urban blacks and then shut up -- comparatively they've been on easy street.

Entitlement doesn't stop at the Mississippi River.

 

[MissThundercat]

The white working class left the Dems as much as the Dems left the white working class. I'm old enough to remember the Macomb, MI betrayal and the Reagan Dems.

Turned out after 40 years of defending working class interests all it took to peel off blue collar whites to the GOP was an avuncular imbecile and Lee Atwater's racist political ads.

Working class and midwestern whites had opposable thumbs. They could count. They have only themselves to blame that they voted their race hatred and cut their own throats as a result. No pandering -- when they figure it out, we're here. Coastal liberals have been demonized by the center white Dems for fifty years and we didn't peace out.

Big girl panties. It's life and death, not feewies. If midwestern whites want to sob they should look at urban blacks and then shut up -- comparatively they've been on easy street.

Entitlement doesn't stop at the Mississippi River.

This, coming from someone who tells me I should give up a situation that's rapidly improving for my people here and go live somewhere where a closet costs $3,000 a month if I can get a good deal on it.

 

[Handyman]

CNN displayed a chyron a few minutes ago that read: Democrats Pass Popular Covid Bill With 0 Republican Votes. Keep hammering that sh-t home. Every. Damn. Day. Republicans don’t give a fuck about your families. 0. Fucks.

1000000% agreed!

Put it this way...I read a story about why in Texas Hispanics went for Trump better than expected and polling showed. They hypothesized (and there was some anecdotal evidence) that Trump's name being on the Stimulus Payment helped. How many people thought the extra $12 they got from the Trump's Tax Cut was helpful? People are tired of the culture wars and the identity politics anyways but especially after the year we have had. They want to know the name of the people who actually help them out. Well, one party is whining about Green Eggs and Ham on Faux while the other is passing legislation to get money and relief to the people. Remind them of that every day until the Midterms.

 

[MissThundercat]

Part of why I laugh at the whole "Cancel Culture" bullshit is this:

Parents of Millennials in 1999: don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Parents of Millennials in 2016: Freedom Eagle dot Facebook says Hillary invented AIDS.

Parents of Millennials in 2018: Patriot Missiles dot Tanks says AOC is not the spawn of Satan, but Satan.

Parents of Millennials in 2021: Steven Shapiro dot Whatever says Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head are REALLY offensive, and then the post after that is claiming putting your PIN number in reverse at the ATM will summon the cops if you're being mugged.

 

[rufus]

1000000% agreed!

Put it this way...I read a story about why in Texas Hispanics went for Trump better than expected and polling showed. They hypothesized (and there was some anecdotal evidence) that Trump's name being on the Stimulus Payment helped. How many people thought the extra $12 they got from the Trump's Tax Cut was helpful? People are tired of the culture wars and the identity politics anyways but especially after the year we have had. They want to know the name of the people who actually help them out. Well, one party is whining about Green Eggs and Ham on Faux while the other is passing legislation to get money and relief to the people. Remind them of that every day until the Midterms.

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Rep. Beyer (D): “I was knocking doors for Biden in Pa - the most memorable conversation I had was w/ a guy who said, ‘I just want to know who will send me the checks’ “We’re always doing things like Employee Retention Tax Credit.. they don’t feel real to people” - the checks dohttps://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/sta...con^s1_&ref_url=https://www.eschatonblog.com/

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[psych]

The white working class left the Dems as much as the Dems left the white working class. I'm old enough to remember the Macomb, MI betrayal and the Reagan Dems.

Turned out after 40 years of defending working class interests all it took to peel off blue collar whites to the GOP was an avuncular imbecile and Lee Atwater's racist political ads.

Working class and midwestern whites had opposable thumbs. They could count. They have only themselves to blame that they voted their race hatred and cut their own throats as a result. No pandering -- when they figure it out, we're here. Coastal liberals have been demonized by the center white Dems for fifty years and we didn't peace out.

Big girl panties. It's life and death, not feewies. If midwestern whites want to sob they should look at urban blacks and then shut up -- comparatively they've been on easy street.

Entitlement doesn't stop at the Mississippi River.

Compared to anyone, coastal elites have had it the easiest. The ones who get that the most likely vote Democratic at all levels of government. They aren’t NIMBYs.
To me, part of being educated is recognizing that you can still be on the same side of an issue as people who look down their nose at you, but don’t perceive themselves as doing so.

 

[Kepler]

Compared to anyone, coastal elites have had it the easiest.

Certainly true. The point is, to be white in this country is to get a free ride, so I don't want to hear anybody lighter than Halle Berry whine about anything, ever.

There's work to do, do it with a smile or a snarl, but do it. Let's kill Nazis, then b-tch at each other in the bar later and have hate sex on the roof.

 

[MissThundercat]

We need to go Lt. Aldo/Boondock Saints on them, since we know Nazis infiltrate all levels of the criminal justice system. You never see Batman and Bruce Wayne at the same time.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Maybe better hold off on adding Puerto Rico as that 51st state.

Lobbying with Quakers???

 

[bronconick]

Add Roy Blunt (R-Mo) to the list of retiring Senators.

 

[Kepler]

go live somewhere where a closet costs $3,000 a month if I can get a good deal on it.

If you can get a closet for $3k a month in NYC, that's a steal; let me know!

Seriously, though, more poor people live in NYC than any other city in the US. Now, yeah, I don't want to do it, but I don't want to live in Michigan either.

All that red? That's millions of people. Existing from day to day. And most of them aren't even white so you already start out ahead of them.

It can be done; people have been doing it, on nothing, for 150 years.

The money economy is cute and all, but it's not where many people live. A large part of the human race are still hunter / gatherers. Jobs are fine for unimaginative schmoes like me, but they imply you are already ensconced in the system. There is an entire parallel America that is completely beyond the official quote economy. It's just not something they teach about in schools, because governments and courts and cops and banks don't control it, and they really don't like to admit they aren't the authorities they think they are.

I wonder what percentage of the human beings who live within the ostensible borders of this country actually fall under its formal control in terms of law or economics. 60%, maybe? And yet the other 40% live, day to day, somehow. Did you even think about how that is possible? Whether there is an entire portion of human life that exists completely outside of our rulers' (and our) consciousness?

 

[MissThundercat]

Are you done talking?