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117th Congress: DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!111!!

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dxmnkd316 said:
Absolutely. I think that's valid. I don't know how much of that knowledge isn't applicable but I'd guess not much since she's still kicking *** over the last four years. She outmaneuvered the GOP on the Jan 6th committee with precision, for example.
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I think she completely missed the decades long fight for gerrymandering. Dems didn't start playing for years after the Reps had gone to work. Then when the start to play, they somehow screw up NY.

For this we will be stuck listening to people like Jordan, McCarthy, and the rest of the noisy reps.

So while she occasionally does something nice in the moment, overall she has failed.
 
sagard said:
I think she completely missed the decades long fight for gerrymandering. Dems didn't start playing for years after the Reps had gone to work. Then when the start to play, they somehow screw up NY.

For this we will be stuck listening to people like Jordan, McCarthy, and the rest of the noisy reps.

So while she occasionally does something nice in the moment, overall she has failed.
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Nancy Pelosi was in charge of how states draw their borders and their DNC chapters?
 
sagard said:
I think she completely missed the decades long fight for gerrymandering. Dems didn't start playing for years after the Reps had gone to work. Then when the start to play, they somehow screw up NY.

For this we will be stuck listening to people like Jordan, McCarthy, and the rest of the noisy reps.

So while she occasionally does something nice in the moment, overall she has failed.
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The Dems were not the problem with the NY gerrymandering...
 
sagard said:
I think she completely missed the decades long fight for gerrymandering. Dems didn't start playing for years after the Reps had gone to work. Then when the start to play, they somehow screw up NY.
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Upstate NY is really, really corrupt . You get "Dems" who are bribed to caucus with the GOP and don't pay the price next election. And you get leadership from both parties who get popped for crimes.

It's a fun place. Cold Louisiana.
 
Handyman said:
Why they gerrymandered it the courts got in the way. The Dems who ran also sucked but that is a different issue.
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For sure, but they were given another opportunity to draw the map. It is entirely possible they could have drawn a less gerrymandered map that passed muster, say 18-9 D instead of 22-5 D, but they passed on the opportunity, leaving it up to the special master appointed by the court. Not saying it would have turned out that way, but the lack of an attempt to me is dropping the ball.
 
To be fair Toomey is only 61, so a spring chicken by Senate standards. That said, he was lucky to ride two red waves into office (2010 Teabaggers and 2016 MAGAts) in a polarized purple state belching out its last gasp from rural Pennsyltucky Boomers. Toomey's just trying to help his corporate paymasters cling to the gridlock status quo and should probably be ignored. However, given that the 2024 Senate map is not great for Dems, he may have a point.
 
Really Toomey. As if the filibuster isn't dead immediately next time we have a Republican senate and president. Doesn't really matter now. No legislation until 2024 at the earliest.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
a polarized purple state belching out its last gasp from rural Pennsyltucky Boomers.
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Do you promise? Cuz from where I'm sitting (2 states away), PA looks like OH 2.0. Everyone with an ounce of grey matter leaves the day they turn 18, leaving behind a perennial poor white underclass of meth addiction, wife beating, Jesus jabbering, and straight ticket Republican voting. Just as Cleveland couldn't hold off the orcs forever Philly may eventually lose its grip too.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
However, given that the 2024 Senate map is not great for Dems, he may have a point.
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This may not matter. No incumbent of either party who stood lost in 2022 (for the first time in American history). It doesn't matter if you have 10 targets or 20, if you're gonna flip 0% of seats.

No, I don't want to depend on that either, but let's not write off the Senate (again) so quickly.
 
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