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116th Congress: Episode 1 - Trial by Fire

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I like how his proposal actually increases the number of Midwestern Senators to 22 (unless Mizzou is now a Southern state). :p
 
Handyman said:
And still no. Sorry but the whole idea is stupid. You basically make half the country worthless. No offense but this is Drew level stupid.

We have a House based on population already. You don't get to have all of Congress based on that. The Coasters can friggin kiss my azz over that. Guess what people count that don't live within an hour of the Ocean and plenty of us vote Democrat so you best not cut off your nose to spite your face.
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And yet it's unconstitutional to have a State Senate set-up in the same manner.

At the least, I would move confirmations from the Senate to the house. Land shouldn't count more than people when deciding who runs the country. Or I'd define "advise and consent" to mean that inaction = consent.
 
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Kepler said:
Then redraw the states to be roughly equal in population.

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I have no problem with that. I do have a problem that 40 million Californians have 2 Senators and 40 million midwesterners have 20.

The Constitution privileges rural over urban voters. That is not "equal" representation.
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Blame it on the fact that Ben Franklin was more popular with his fellow politicians that James Madison.
 
unofan said:
And yet it's unconstitutional to have a State Senate set-up in the same manner.

At the least, I would move confirmations from the Senate to the house. Land shouldn't count more than people when deciding who runs the country. Or I'd define "advise and consent" to mean that inaction = consent.
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I have no issue with that but if you make both houses population based you make everything that isn't coastal worthless.

Flip the values of the Houses all you want but make them the same and you marginalize everyone not in the big states and that is putting mildly.
 
Handyman said:
I have no issue with that but if you make both houses population based you make everything that isn't coastal worthless.

Flip the values of the Houses all you want but make them the same and you marginalize everyone not in the big states and that is putting mildly.
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So you'd be ok if the Minnesota State Senate gave some rural county in north west Minnesota the same representation as Hennepin County if they could?
 
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Handyman said:
I have no issue with that but if you make both houses population based you make everything that isn't coastal worthless.

Flip the values of the Houses all you want but make them the same and you marginalize everyone not in the big states and that is putting mildly.
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I think the issue is that the House will prove to be absolutely toothless without at a minimum of senate majority let alone 60. We will see two years of the administration ignoring and blowing off the Dems in the house. We will see executive actions and maybe a national emergency, but literally nothing the Dems want will happen until a minimum of 2020 if they can find someone to beat Trump. They may take a hollow victory in delaying the Wall, but all that will do is re-energize Trumps believers.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Yeah, the Senate is a necessary evil, getting rid for f it creates more problems than it solves. There are solutions though:

1. Admit DC and Puerto Rico as states.
2. Change terms to 4 years instead of 6.
3. Change the election timing so they’re all elected at the same time as Presidential elections.
4. Limit the scope of bills they can propose and pass while limiting the amount of changes they can make to ones passed in the House.
5. Increase the House to 600+ seats.
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3 yrs instead of 6, then continue the recycle of 1/3 but every single year.

15yr term limit if you switch houses.
10 if stay in house
9 if stay in senate
(Love this cause it immediately takes out safe seats if you can challenge a colleague die to your time expiring)

Also then after leaving a 5 yr ban on lobbying.
 
Kepler said:
Then redraw the states to be roughly equal in population.

<img src="https://philebersole.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/redrawn-u-s-map.jpg" height="500">


I have no problem with that. I do have a problem that 40 million Californians have 2 Senators and 40 million midwesterners have 20.

The Constitution privileges rural over urban voters. That is not "equal" representation.
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Dude!!
We are united STATES. Not United people’s.

Part of our uniqueness is FLA isn’t MI isn’t WY isn’t NM.
Stop trying to remake the country :)
 
unofan said:
And yet it's unconstitutional to have a State Senate set-up in the same manner.

At the least, I would move confirmations from the Senate to the house. Land shouldn't count more than people when deciding who runs the country. Or I'd define "advise and consent" to mean that inaction = consent.
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States are states. Federal is the union of those states. Why compare apples to pumpkins?

Yous is a lawyer, no? :p
 
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unofan said:
So you'd be ok if the Minnesota State Senate gave some rural county in north west Minnesota the same representation as Hennepin County if they could?
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Well ignoring the fact that States and Federal Government are different...

No I have no problem with it. That is what the other House is for. Outstate should have a legitimate say, that I might disagree with their say is immaterial.

The fact that you seem to be ok basically telling people who live in the middle of nowhere they should have no say is rather disturbing. And make no mistake, that is exactly what you are saying.
 
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Uh, nope. We're arguing that they absolutely, 100% deserve a proportional say.

Why do you hate democracy?
 
Handyman said:
Well ignoring the fact that States and Federal Government are different...

No I have no problem with it. That is what the other House is for. Outstate should have a legitimate say, that I might disagree with their say is immaterial.

The fact that you seem to be ok basically telling people who live in the middle of nowhere they should have no say is rather disturbing. And make no mistake, that is exactly what you are saying.
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I have a problem with 300k people in Wyoming having the same power as 20,000,000 in California. And the only reason we still have it is because of a 275 year old give away to slave states.

And I live in the middle of the country and have for roughly 3/4ths of my life. So it's not like I don't have skin in the game.
 
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well golly. that is what the united states are. nobody makes all y'all live there. :p
 
unofan said:
I have a problem with 300k people in Wyoming having the same power as 20,000,000 in California. And the only reason we still have it is because of a 275 year old give away to slave states.

And I live in the middle of the country and have for roughly 3/4ths of my life. So it's not like I don't have skin in the game.
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And you are welcome to your beliefs as am I.
 
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The heavily populated states that tried 245 years ago to create a system whereby they had the power to jam their half baked ideas down everyone’s throat failed then. They have no chance of getting it now. Why debate it.
 
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