115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

[unofan]

I don't think "generations" are useful concepts. They tell us that people raised under certain circumstances act in certain ways. We can't change that or them. People are people, they're just been baked differently and they get no credit or blame for that because those conditions were external to them. So it just becomes a way for x to blame y for things x would have done had then been brought up like y.

That's a bit of a cop out. The boomers benefited from government programs growing up and then when the bill came due as adults they chose to pass on paying and stick it to their progeny instead. They used their demographic power from a place of selfishness. They better hope the millennials are less selfish, or grandma and grandpa boomer may find retirement less comfortable than they expect.

I saw a poll the other day that 51% of millennials blame boomers for things being worse off now. I'm surprised it was only 51%.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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That's a bit of a cop out. The boomers benefited from government programs growing up and then when the bill came due as adults they chose to pass on paying and stick it to their progeny instead. They used their demographic power from a place of selfishness. They better hope the millennials are less selfish, or grandma and grandpa boomer may find retirement less comfortable than they expect.

I saw a poll the other day that 51% of millennials blame boomers for things being worse off now. I'm surprised it was only 51%.

No, just like the Middle Class, Gen X will be the one that gets ****ed.

 

[Rover]

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I want a smart media strategy that uses the media's practical motives and weaknesses to further our agenda. I want a disciplined, unified commitment by all of us to stay on message and not undercut each other.

Don't hold your breath. My point wasn't find a media outlet that's your friend. My point is realize that media outlets that are allegedly friendly to the left are in fact the enemy due to 1) Cowardice, and 2) False Equivalency. The NYT, CNN, etc will publish GOP talking points and bend over backwards to accommodate knuckledragger viewpoints for a couple of reasons. One their reporters are too timid to face down a right wing media backlash against them, and second the corporate stiffs actually believe they're doing the world a favor with the "this side did this BUT this side did that too" BS like it makes them responsible journalists or something. I don't recall the NYT opening up its opinion pages to only Bill Clinton or Barack Obama supporters for a day after either of those men won any of their 4 Presidential elections, and we should note Obama got about 8M more votes than Trump did in his first election.

 

[Kepler]

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That's a bit of a cop out. The boomers benefited from government programs growing up and then when the bill came due as adults they chose to pass on paying and stick it to their progeny instead. They used their demographic power from a place of selfishness.

I have no doubt Gen Xers and Millenials will be as personally selfish as Boomers, who were as personally selfish as Great Gens, who were as selfish as the Lost Generation, and back into the mists of time.

Generational cross-comparisons are the ultimate in never being able to walk in someone else's shoes. What you have is a population responding to the circumstances of their time with a distribution of outcomes. Take the newborn babies of every age in history and substitute them for the Boomers at birth and you'd get the same general distribution. Switch the slave owners and the slaves at birth and you'd get the same general distribution of outcomes.

The moral comparison I am interested in is between people at a similar starting point exposed to similar conditions who produce very different outcomes based on their choices. A generation does not have "will," therefore it does not exercise choice, therefore criticizing it is basically criticizing stochastic processes. Collective identities are imaginary.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I have no doubt Gen Xers and Millenials will be as personally selfish as Boomers, who were as personally selfish as Great Gens, who were as selfish as the Lost Generation, and back into the mists of time.

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[Kepler]

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I didn't realize a significant change had taken place in the human genome immediately after 1960.

People are people, my friend. Put you on the banks of the Amu Darya in 747 and you'd be buggering peasant boys in the name of Khorasan until the Muzzies showed up and buggered you.

You can judge a person. You can judge people who adhere to an ideology -- that's a choice. But you can no more judge a generation than a race. Those are fictive collectives. They are empty.

 

[Rover]

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Gotta agree with Scoobs here and once again ask somebody to do a wellness check on Kep. Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation that came before them are the whiniest, most self-centered people the country has ever produced and the cause of the Republican treasonous money laundering cult that we're dealing with. People make a major mistake for the sake of simplicity or idol worship in crediting Reagan for ushering in a "new conservative era" (cue solemn voice). The senile old codger was just riding the wave. Hell, Nixon achieved a bigger victory just 8 years prior to Ronbo's election. What happened was the Greatest Generation dedicated to shared sacrifice was lessening in influence while the next two generations were gaining. Now unfortunately we're stuck with these idiots for awhile longer as old people tend to come out and vote, which puts those born between roughly 1930 and 1960 in control unless Gen X and Millenials unite to send them back to hell where they belong.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Don't hold your breath. My point wasn't find a media outlet that's your friend. My point is realize that media outlets that are allegedly friendly to the left are in fact the enemy due to 1) Cowardice, and 2) False Equivalency. The NYT, CNN, etc will publish GOP talking points and bend over backwards to accommodate knuckledragger viewpoints for a couple of reasons. One their reporters are too timid to face down a right wing media backlash against them, and second the corporate stiffs actually believe they're doing the world a favor with the "this side did this BUT this side did that too" BS like it makes them responsible journalists or something. I don't recall the NYT opening up its opinion pages to only Bill Clinton or Barack Obama supporters for a day after either of those men won any of their 4 Presidential elections, and we should note Obama got about 8M more votes than Trump did in his first election.

This. The fact that these outlets are so obsessed with balance when we're talking about people who lie out their *** and deny science and promote total scumbag ideology is ridiculous.

 

[mookie1995]

I didn't realize a significant change had taken place in the human genome immediately after 1960.

People are people, my friend. Put you on the banks of the Amu Darya in 747 and you'd be buggering peasant boys in the name of Khorasan until the Muzzies showed up and buggered you.

You can judge a person. You can judge people who adhere to an ideology -- that's a choice. But you can no more judge a generation than a race. Those are fictive collectives. They are empty.

Finally accepting mookisms as fact.

Good boy!
Good boy!

 

[mookie1995]

Gotta agree with Scoobs here and once again ask somebody to do a wellness check on Kep. Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation that came before them are the whiniest, most self-centered people the country has ever produced and the cause of the Republican treasonous money laundering cult that we're dealing with. People make a major mistake for the sake of simplicity or idol worship in crediting Reagan for ushering in a "new conservative era" (cue solemn voice). The senile old codger was just riding the wave. Hell, Nixon achieved a bigger victory just 8 years prior to Ronbo's election. What happened was the Greatest Generation dedicated to shared sacrifice was lessening in influence while the next two generations were gaining. Now unfortunately we're stuck with these idiots for awhile longer as old people tend to come out and vote, which puts those born between roughly 1930 and 1960 in control unless Gen X and Millenials unite to send them back to hell where they belong.

Dream on
Dream on
Dream until your dreams come true.....

Dream on
Dream on
Dream on
Dream on

 

[unofan]

I have no doubt Gen Xers and Millenials will be as personally selfish as Boomers, who were as personally selfish as Great Gens, who were as selfish as the Lost Generation, and back into the mists of time.

Generational cross-comparisons are the ultimate in never being able to walk in someone else's shoes. What you have is a population responding to the circumstances of their time with a distribution of outcomes. Take the newborn babies of every age in history and substitute them for the Boomers at birth and you'd get the same general distribution. Switch the slave owners and the slaves at birth and you'd get the same general distribution of outcomes.

The moral comparison I am interested in is between people at a similar starting point exposed to similar conditions who produce very different outcomes based on their choices. A generation does not have "will," therefore it does not exercise choice, therefore criticizing it is basically criticizing stochastic processes. Collective identities are imaginary.

For someone who believes the GOP is a dying ideology, it sounds like you may be disappointed in that prediction.

Either millennials as a whole are the same as the Boomers, in which case the GOP will be around till the end of time, or they're not, in which case there are some differences in between the generations. Which is it?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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For someone who believes the GOP is a dying ideology, it sounds like you may be disappointed in that prediction.

Either millennials as a whole are the same as the Boomers, in which case the GOP will be around till the end of time, or they're not, in which case there are some differences in between the generations. Which is it?

One wonders. Kep may have painted the broadest and most defined picture of Doom ever painted in this forum.

 

[Kepler]

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For someone who believes the GOP is a dying ideology, it sounds like you may be disappointed in that prediction.

Either millennials as a whole are the same as the Boomers, in which case the GOP will be around till the end of time, or they're not, in which case there are some differences in between the generations. Which is it?

1. I don't think the GOP is a "dying ideology." The core GOP ideology -- give aid to the powerful at the expense of the weak -- is eternal. The dying ideology is the rabid misogyny and racism that the GOP has stuck its blood funnel into as a convenience. Once that dries up they'll find some other food supply.

2. Millennials don't behave "the same as" Boomers because they grew up under different circumstances. What's the same is the base model under all that -- the nested bell curves of intelligence, ethics, and motivation that separate people out within their generation. The external pressures both form how those people will express those differences and also carve the landscape that helps some types succeed and others fail. Example: violence used to be a more evolutionarily successful way to resolve your problems than it is today, so Joe Rockhead had a place in that environment, whether it was murdering his neighbors (homicide rates in the west are 1/50th of what they were as recently as 100 years ago) or using his brute muscles in his work on the farm or in the mines. Today? Not so much.

3. Exploding the myth of generations has very little bearing in either direction on politics.

 

[Kepler]

Re: 115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

One wonders. Kep may have painted the broadest and most defined picture of Doom ever painted in this forum.

Not at all. I never said nothing changes. I said people are the same clay as always, but the circumstances that shape them are changing all the time. Millenials aren't the same as Boomers. The point is to the extent they are different it comes down to forces that have nothing whatever to do with them, so all this "Boomers suck you ruined it for us" crowing is just another of the human brain's million ways of creating spurious hierarchies to put oneself atop of. It's vanity.

 

[Rover]

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Anybody who can follow where Kep is going with all of this, please raise your hand. The rest of us...DRINK!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Anybody who can follow where Kep is going with all of this, please raise your hand. The rest of us...DRINK!

He just wants to destroy my last refuge of sanity. Not surprising.

 

[Kepler]

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Anybody who can follow where Kep is going with all of this, please raise your hand. The rest of us...DRINK!

It's all there for those who want to try to parse it. I can't judge whether it's coherent because I already know what I'm trying to say. It sure doesn't seem as if I'm communicating effectively, though.

<img src="http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/8/8d/misinterpretation.png" />

Losing unofan gave me the shakes. He and LynahFan are my Reasonable Man standard for the Cafe, so if he's not getting it that's on me, not you guys.

 

[Handyman]

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[The Sicatoka]

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I saw a poll the other day that 51% of millennials blame boomers for things being worse off now. I'm surprised it was only 51%.

The other 49% didn't understand the question because it didn't come from their social media news feed.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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But you can no more judge a generation than a race. Those are fictive collectives. They are empty.

They are just made up entities composed of individuals.

The individuals make the decisions and are responsible for them.