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115th Congress - Fantastik! Try to remember we vote in November.

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Kepler said:
1. I don't think the GOP is a "dying ideology." The core GOP ideology -- give aid to the powerful at the expense of the weak -- is eternal. The dying ideology is the rabid misogyny and racism that the GOP has stuck its blood funnel into as a convenience. Once that dries up they'll find some other food supply.

2. Millennials don't behave "the same as" Boomers because they grew up under different circumstances. What's the same is the base model under all that -- the nested bell curves of intelligence, ethics, and motivation that separate people out within their generation. The external pressures both form how those people will express those differences and also carve the landscape that helps some types succeed and others fail. Example: violence used to be a more evolutionarily successful way to resolve your problems than it is today, so Joe Rockhead had a place in that environment, whether it was murdering his neighbors (homicide rates in the west are 1/50th of what they were as recently as 100 years ago) or using his brute muscles in his work on the farm or in the mines. Today? Not so much.

3. Exploding the myth of generations has very little bearing in either direction on politics.
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I agree that generations are shaped by their formative events and experiences, but "twas ever thus" only goes so far. The boomers were handed the single greatest economic engine in the world's history and wasted it on hookers and blow. And then bought more hookers and blow on credit, leaving the 15 trillion bill for their kids.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I'd like to think that, if we could rerun the Boomer generation, the election of Reagan and Trump would not be a guaranteed outcome.

But then again, maybe we are all the same in the aggregate. In which case, the boomers better be ready for some tough times, cause the millennials are now fully eligible to vote and they will overwhelm the boomers demographic bubble sooner or later. If they* vote as the boomers did, get ready for some major cuts to senior citizen services.


*(or we; I straddle the line between gen x and millennials depending on the definition, I definitely align more with gen x, though)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Seems Sen. McCain has resigned himself to his predicament and fate.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mccain-in-new-book-im-freer-now-to-speak-my-mind
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This quote "The appearance of toughness, or a reality show facsimile of toughness, seems to matter more than any of our values," sums up both trump and the majority of the republican party as well as anything could. Phony tough. Just part of their overall hypocrisy. There are a lot of reasons to disagree with John McCain. I'm sure many here do, including me. He's been guilty at times during his political career of the same sort of hypocrisy that literally defines the republican party in 2018. But he also has some honor and bravery. In fact he probably flushed more honor and bravery this morning than nearly the rest of the republican party combined possesses. You people who vote republican must be so proud that the only members of your party that can muster even an occasional display of decency are either retiring or dying. If we're lucky there is something in the air or water in the Capitol building that caused McCain's brain tumor and a bunch of his colleagues will also be so afflicted.
 
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unofan said:
I agree that generations are shaped by their formative events and experiences, but "twas ever thus" only goes so far. The boomers were handed the single greatest economic engine in the world's history and wasted it on hookers and blow. And then bought more hookers and blow on credit, leaving the 15 trillion bill for their kids.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I'd like to think that, if we could rerun the Boomer generation, the election of Reagan and Trump would not be a guaranteed outcome.

But then again, maybe we are all the same in the aggregate. In which case, the boomers better be ready for some tough times, cause the millennials are now fully eligible to vote and they will overwhelm the boomers demographic bubble sooner or later. If they* vote as the boomers did, get ready for some major cuts to senior citizen services.


*(or we; I straddle the line between gen x and millennials depending on the definition, I definitely align more with gen x, though)
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I guess my question would be "how can we, in the aggregate, not be the same?" You start with people. Divide them up however you want. Why would being a zygote that pops out in one year as opposed to twenty years before of after possibly be any different on an aggregate level?

The thing that makes a generation "brave" is being raised with enemies encircling you. "Frugal" is a depression and watching your parents stretch every penny. "Tough" is get in the crop or die. "Adventurous" and "open minded" probably come from feeling safe enough to experiment and being exposed to enough of a variation of people not to be bigoted.

But none of those things are virtues of the people themselves. They're the lab conditions that one sample was grown under rather than another. Those characteristics aren't chosen. If there's any choices involved they are actually those of each generation's parenting choices -- one might say the Boomers' parents raised spendthrift irresponsible tax evaders. If anything that means the Boomers raised the generations who are critical of them now, so if those younger generations feel in any way noble or superior or more evolved, that's actually to the credit of their parents, not them. :p

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I'm an Xer raised by Greatests. The Boomers have no personal presence in my life, so possibly I can be a little more objective about them.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
Isn't this just the "nature or nurture" argument?
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Nature/nurture is about individuals and how much of us owes to ourselves (nature) as distinct from our environment (nurture).

My argument is that when you start to compare generations it's like comparing races -- the aggregation unit you are using is meaningless so any results you see are artifacts of other effects -- not the people themselves.

So I'm taking nature as given and making a nurture/nurture argument. :)
 
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Who said this:

"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they're going to take the money they're saving and reinvest it in American workers," _____ said. "In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there's no evidence whatsoever that the money's been massively poured back into the American worker."

A) Bernie Sanders
B) Sarah Huckabee Sanders
C) Colonel Sanders
D) Marco Rubio
 
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Kepler said:
I guess my question would be "how can we, in the aggregate, not be the same?" You start with people. Divide them up however you want. Why would being a zygote that pops out in one year as opposed to twenty years before of after possibly be any different on an aggregate level?

The thing that makes a generation "brave" is being raised with enemies encircling you. "Frugal" is a depression and watching your parents stretch every penny. "Tough" is get in the crop or die. "Adventurous" and "open minded" probably come from feeling safe enough to experiment and being exposed to enough of a variation of people not to be bigoted.

But none of those things are virtues of the people themselves. They're the lab conditions that one sample was grown under rather than another. Those characteristics aren't chosen. If there's any choices involved they are actually those of each generation's parenting choices -- one might say the Boomers' parents raised spendthrift irresponsible tax evaders. If anything that means the Boomers raised the generations who are critical of them now, so if those younger generations feel in any way noble or superior or more evolved, that's actually to the credit of their parents, not them. :p

I don't have a dog in this fight -- I'm an Xer raised by Greatests. The Boomers have no personal presence in my life, so possibly I can be a little more objective about them.
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It's funny, my dad and I talk about generational changes a lot. The boomers were really the first generation where you didn't have to work to simply survive. Life is no longer a lethal sport. Now, as long as you don't get hit by a bus because your face is pointed at the adult pacifier, you can probably survive just by existing.
 
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Who said this:

"There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they're going to take the money they're saving and reinvest it in American workers," _____ said. "In fact they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there's no evidence whatsoever that the money's been massively poured back into the American worker."

A) Bernie Sanders
B) Sarah Huckabee Sanders
C) Colonel Sanders
D) Marco Rubio
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I don’t think Sarah understands economics. I’m gonna go with d, little Marco!
No credit to him though. Didn’t he support this a few months ago?
 
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If this were an election year, that would make sense for him to say that. I don't get it.

Ok, whose turn is it to reboot him?
 
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I honestly think they just DGAF anymore because they know they're all screwed.

On the other hand, if the blue wave doesn't hit, this experiment is over. It would be tacit approval to cheat, lie, steal, dismantle. Laws and ethics would be irrelevant.
 
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