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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Reset The Calendar Again

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I know I'm not remembering a reality that did not exist when I say that 40 years ago the left and right did not operate with two competing and nearly mutually exclusive set of facts. Now, the typical RWNJ believes many, many things that are simply untrue.

Since about 1994 or so the right has gotten progressively dumber and dumber. I grew up believing (and still believe) we need competing ideologies to be as healthy a society as possible. One way of thinking cannot possibly be the best solution. But when one of those ideologies is completely overrun with people who are dumber than bags of tree bark it defeats the purpose of having a competing ideology. And please false equivalency brigade I do not want to hear about how the extremes from both sides are both bringing fake facts to the table. Perhaps a sliver thin minority of the left are nutjobs. Virtually the entire republican party has gone off the deep end. I'd say fewer than 25% of the entirety of what makes up 2018s republican party does not believe that the Parkland kids are actually a bunch of actors and dupes.

I came of age also thinking straight ticket party voters were dupes as well, but we need to eradicate the current republican party, and do it before we go off the deep end as a nation entirely. I give us 2018 and maybe 2020. If the trumpers are still pulling levers it will be too late. Beat the republican party into submission and maybe then it will re-invent itself as a real party of ideals AND ideas. Until then, it is nothing more than a danger to America.

trump tried to talk about people not standing and applauding him as treasonous. What a joke. In reality, his party is actually far more treasonous because its leaders are doing nothing while trump abdicates America's position of leadership in the world. Shame on them. All of them should rot in Hell, as they are no better than Hitler, Stalin or Jerry Sandusky. The damage they will have done will eventually be just as bad.
 
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I came of age also thinking straight ticket party voters were dupes as well, but we need to eradicate the current republican party, and do it before we go off the deep end as a nation entirely. I give us 2018 and maybe 2020. If the trumpers are still pulling levers it will be too late. Beat the republican party into submission and maybe then it will re-invent itself as a real party of ideals AND ideas. Until then, it is nothing more than a danger to America.

I agree with this.
 
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Donald must be reading his board, he proposed arming teachers today.
 
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I know I'm not remembering a reality that did not exist when I say that 40 years ago the left and right did not operate with two competing and nearly mutually exclusive set of facts. Now, the typical RWNJ believes many, many things that are simply untrue.

Since about 1994 or so the right has gotten progressively dumber and dumber. I grew up believing (and still believe) we need competing ideologies to be as healthy a society as possible. One way of thinking cannot possibly be the best solution. But when one of those ideologies is completely overrun with people who are dumber than bags of tree bark it defeats the purpose of having a competing ideology. And please false equivalency brigade I do not want to hear about how the extremes from both sides are both bringing fake facts to the table. Perhaps a sliver thin minority of the left are nutjobs. Virtually the entire republican party has gone off the deep end. I'd say fewer than 25% of the entirety of what makes up 2018s republican party does not believe that the Parkland kids are actually a bunch of actors and dupes.

I came of age also thinking straight ticket party voters were dupes as well, but we need to eradicate the current republican party, and do it before we go off the deep end as a nation entirely. I give us 2018 and maybe 2020. If the trumpers are still pulling levers it will be too late. Beat the republican party into submission and maybe then it will re-invent itself as a real party of ideals AND ideas. Until then, it is nothing more than a danger to America.

trump tried to talk about people not standing and applauding him as treasonous. What a joke. In reality, his party is actually far more treasonous because its leaders are doing nothing while trump abdicates America's position of leadership in the world. Shame on them. All of them should rot in Hell, as they are no better than Hitler, Stalin or Jerry Sandusky. The damage they will have done will eventually be just as bad.

Those on the right have been most easily motivated by fear, fear of commies, blacks, mexicans, gays, lesbians, bi's, atheists, and any other face from a different tribe. You add to that the fact that we all stew in our own philosophical juices these days due to the fact that we only see the news we already agree with, and the divisions will keep getting wider and the fear responses more extreme. An unfortunate marriage of Algorithm-guided information access and the conservative brain.

edit: it has a negative effect on the liberal brain too, but less severe pertaining to fear response, IMO.
 
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This is where you lose me. I use my autoloader for trap. Most people also use them for waterfowls as well. Semiauto isn't the problem, it's this specific use of a semiauto.

Handguns, for example, have already been upheld by the SCotUS in Heller. You aren't banning semiautos.

Would you give up the joy of killing ducks to save kids?

Cuz it really could come down to that.

It's actually a serious question. All limitations can be portrayed at some level as limiting harmless fun. I'm sure there are harmless drift racers too.
 
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Would you give up the joy of killing ducks to save kids?

Cuz it really could come down to that.

It's actually a serious question. All limitations can be portrayed at some level as limiting harmless fun. I'm sure there are harmless drift racers too.

By the time autoloaders and handguns are banned, it means the 2nd Amendment has been repealed. It also means hell has frozen over and I'm married to some gorgeous astrophysicist and we live on our own island. So this hypothetical doesn't really have any meaning.

But if it came to that, probably. But it won't, so *shrug*
 
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By the time autoloaders and handguns are banned, it means the 2nd Amendment has been repealed. It also means hell has frozen over and I'm married to some gorgeous astrophysicist and we live on our own island. So this hypothetical doesn't really have any meaning.

But if it came to that, probably. But it won't, so *shrug*

I agree that it's best to stick to the political realities right now. Right now baby steps is the best that we can do, like banning bump stocks and raising the minimum age to buy weapons like the AR-15 to 21 years old. If the D's somehow win back the House and Senate then they can write their own comprehensive gun control bill, pass it, and send it to Trump. And when he vetoes it then he can be the one to deal with the political fallout. But even that is almost a pie in the sky scenario right now.
 
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By the time autoloaders and handguns are banned, it means the 2nd Amendment has been repealed. It also means hell has frozen over and I'm married to some gorgeous astrophysicist and we live on our own island. So this hypothetical doesn't really have any meaning.

But if it came to that, probably. But it won't, so *shrug*
I'm ok with some semi-autos. Any militaristic looking semi-auto that has no kick? No. Gone. Otherwise, just forget it and go back to thoughts and prayers.
 
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I agree that it's best to stick to the political realities right now. Right now baby steps is the best that we can do, like banning bump stocks and raising the minimum age to buy weapons like the AR-15 to 21 years old. If the D's somehow win back the House and Senate then they can write their own comprehensive gun control bill, pass it, and send it to Trump. And when he vetoes it then he can be the one to deal with the political fallout. But even that is almost a pie in the sky scenario right now.
The problem is you have a bunch of centrist dems with rural constituencies that somehow see it as too risky to enact this kind of legislature, even Bernie has been spotty on this issue.

The problem is that there's overwhelming evidence that people support at least some common sense measures such as universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods, a nationwide ban on assault rifles, they don't think more guns make us safer, and at the very least would support these kinds of baby steps.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us02202018_ugbw51.pdf/

I'm ok with some semi-autos. Any militaristic looking semi-auto that has no kick? No. Gone. Otherwise, just forget it and go back to thoughts and prayers.
An AR-15 definitely has some kick, I've shot my dad's before (that or I'm just a total wuss :D ). The bigger issue is that it's easily modified to potentially have a 100 round drum, a front grip to make it easier to spray bullets, a laser site, the bump stock obviously, and a number of other features that just aren't necessary for hunting or shooting targets. You can probably do some of these things with some semi-automatic rifles but not as easily or quickly and certainly not all of these modifications. With an AR-15 you can probably have it pre-assembled with a lot of these features.
 
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What a bunch of ****ing liars. This is some of the stuff Trump did since taking office.

Trump held that point of view until he began gearing up for his run for the presidency. As social conservatives flocked to his rallies, he turned increasingly hard-line in opposing any limitations on gun ownership.

In the White House, he has acted in keeping with that posture. His appointees have quietly chipped away at the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, the federal system that stores consult to make sure buyers are eligible to purchase guns.

The administration officials narrowed a few legal definitions to make it harder to classify would-be gun buyers as ineligible. The FBI used to consider people "fugitives from justice" if there were outstanding warrants for their arrest, but now they must also have fled across state lines to intentionally avoid prosecution to be disqualified. Trump officials also purged tens of thousands of law enforcement records from the background system.

They narrowed the definition of mentally ill. And Congress and Trump rolled back an Obama-era regulation that required the Social Security Administration to send records of people receiving benefits for mental illness for inclusion in the background check system. In his recently released budget for the coming fiscal year, Trump proposed slashing millions of dollars from the budget for the background check system.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-gun-history-20180220-story.html

EDIT: If he slashes the budget for background checks and that's all they do is pass background check improvements they've done nothing. The NRA wins again.
 
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What do the second and third words of the Second Amendment mean?
 
What do the second and third words of the Second Amendment mean?

Here is the whole one sentence amrndment:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Which is the most important - before the 1st comma, between the 1st and 2nd commas, or after the 2nd comma?

You could look at all before comma 2 as the explanation of why the right to keep and bear arms exists. Does the Amendment stand alone with the same meaning with "The right...shall not be infringed"?

That debate has been going on for a while and will go on for well after I'm dead.
 
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Quick note on the banning of the assault rifles: what to do with the current legal ones? If a buyback, how do you fund that?

Idea today: since armed teachers = bad idea, how about a program funded under the Homeland Security budget, that has ex-Armed Forces folks only, as liaison officers? Extra training to deal with civilian world, placed in schools? They would already have advanced weapon and active shooter training, the extra training would be to deal with civilians, rather than soldiers?

It would give veterans a job opportunity, it would be funded, and it would provide at least some sense of protection/defense of the schools?

No I didn't read back 5 pages of commentary.
 
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I knew that was going to come up and it’s as bad of an idea as arming the teachers.

These are people who were trained for warfare. Not law enforcement. Many have serious mental health issues when they attempt to reintegrate. There are also the muscleheads who just want to get back to shooting something and will take any chance they can get.

There are plenty of fine men and women who have served. The problem is they’ve been turned into war machines. No thanks. There are plenty of other opportunities for them.
 
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Our culture militarizes far too much as it is.
 
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