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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

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Are you saying that I don't want increases in mental health care, and mental health checks for gun owners? Because that is the exact opposite of what I have been saying. The exact opposite.

Then you should be pushing Democratic candidates hard because that's the only party that's interested in paying for anything.
 
it already exists

remember the Affordable Health Care Act? The War On Poverty & Great Society?
how did that work out?
you people keep throwing solutions at problems and hope it will solve them
then when it doesn't you throw more solutions and hope it works
this thread is a great example why nothing gets done, the politicians do what gets them elected, and you morons just keep throwing crap against the wall

It's throwing money at the problem. Take cholera as an example. Do you vaccinate the people against cholera or get rid of the thit in the water?

There's a reason why we're killing each other and it's not guns. Guns are the instrument of death. Find out what motivates the death dealers and you'll solve the problem.
 
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So, in your opinion if a solution does not entirely solve an issue, there is no sense in trying it?

My job centers around fixing problems. Not every solution is a 100% fix, but every step in the right direction contributes to the bottom line.

Maybe you need to take a class in problem solving.

Applying a solution takes time, so if the first solution isn’t the best one, you’ve wasted time. Notice that in the case of “health care is too expensive” we have wasted almost two administrations worth of time and expenses have gone up (which is the reason even Democrats prefer to call it ObamaCare because it obscures the fact it failed to accomplish what it was supposed to do). If a proper solution was tried first, we wouldn’t have wasted all the time and money to this point. Notice some Democrats are saying “single payer” or “let’s do what Canada does” without even having studied the problem to see if it would be a workable solution for the US. The politicians do this because they know suckers like you will vote for them in hopes of solving the problem.

In short, doing exactly what is being done here.

If you read the second Amendment, and the debate that lead up to it, the whole point of it is not to guarantee hunters or other sporting use of firearms, it is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. Thus, limiting magazine size is unconstitutional, if we are going to protect ourselves from the government we need arms with enough firepower to battle the tools of politicians, our military and police. Therefore, magazines should in theory be unlimited in size, but like all things in our government, a compromise has been met. In reality the only legitimate use of a firearm given by our Constitution is to remove a tyrannical government from power, or prevent them from taking power.

The magazine for my deer rifle only holds 4 shots, my shotgun 6, enough for deer hunting but woefully inadequate for what our founding fathers established the 2nd amendment. If I am to fulfill my duty of citizen militia, a much larger magazine is required.
 
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If you read the second Amendment, and the debate that lead up to it, the whole point of it is not to guarantee hunters or other sporting use of firearms, it is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government. Thus, limiting magazine size is unconstitutional, if we are going to protect ourselves from the government we need arms with enough firepower to battle the tools of politicians, our military and police. Therefore, magazines should in theory be unlimited in size, but like all things in our government, a compromise has been met. In reality the only legitimate use of a firearm given by our Constitution is to remove a tyrannical government from power, or prevent them from taking power.

Anyone who thinks they can protect themselves from the government with any arsenal they can accumulate is on crack and should be first in line for a civil commitment for life.
 
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Anyone who thinks they can protect themselves from the government with any arsenal they can accumulate is on crack and should be first in line for a civil commitment for life.

The Viet Cong is on line 1 for you.
 
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Russia and England deserve most of the thanks. If not for them gun owners likely would have been taking on the Nazis here.

Russia (and England if you believe that) didn't have losers with guns roving their streets every day prior to the war...and still managed to do just fine.

If you read the second Amendment, and the debate that lead up to it, the whole point of it is not to guarantee hunters or other sporting use of firearms, it is to protect citizens from a tyrannical government.

The constitution doesn't guarantee where guns are allowed. If it did, they'd be on aircraft. Also - where in the heck is this militia that's tied to gun ownership and is mandated in the constitution? Every Saturday gun owners should be drilling and right now all gun owners should be stationed at the Mexico border protecting our country - that's why they're given the right.
 
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Anyone who thinks they can protect themselves from the government with any arsenal they can accumulate is on crack and should be first in line for a civil commitment for life.

you must be unfamiliar with the Spanish Civil War, which was a true civil war unlike ours which would be better named The War Between The States

and you must not be familiar with the oath taken entering the military:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

whose side do you think soldiers and police (many of whom have served in the military) will be on, a tyrant, or the people?
 
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you must be unfamiliar with the Spanish Civil War, which was a true civil war unlike ours which would be better named The War Between The States

and you must not be familiar with the oath taken entering the military:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

whose side do you think soldiers and police (many of whom have served in the military) will be on, a tyrant, or the people?

ROTFLMAO. Get this guy a bed at Bedford.
 
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Every Saturday gun owners should be drilling and right now all gun owners should be stationed at the Mexico border protecting our country - that's why they're given the right.

you really are ignorant, there is a citizen militia along the border, and most if not all members of the citizen militia do "drill"

you lefties in large cities and along the coasts will self destruct as you fight for food and water, I wouldn't bother if I were you, you are doomed
 
Russia (and England if you believe that) didn't have losers with guns roving their streets every day prior to the war...and still managed to do just fine.

What is your definition of ‘just fine’? They survived, but millions of people died and many more suffered horribly. The point had nothing to do with their gun control laws. It was that we incredibly lucked out.
 
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you really are ignorant, there is a citizen militia along the border, and most if not all members of the citizen militia do "drill"

Let me help you with the US constitution. There's this second amendment where - you are given the right to own a gun because you need to defend this country. If we're using someone else to defend the country...youre both going against the constitution and should have your gun taken away.
 
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What is your definition of ‘just fine’? They survived, but millions of people died and many more suffered horribly. The point had nothing to do with their gun control laws. It was that we incredibly lucked out.

I guess your right. Get rid of guns - it didn't help them. I'll settle for just getting them off the streets.
 
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Let me help you with the US constitution. There's this second amendment where - you are given the right to own a gun because you need to defend this country. If we're using someone else to defend the country...youre both going against the constitution and should have your gun taken away.

come and get it

There is a lot of turmoil along the border, there is a citizen militia there, the Border Patrol, and now our military, if the President asks for help from the citizens, I am ready, willing, and able.
If he asks for help elsewhere, I am ready.
If somebody violates our Constitution and seizes power, or threatens to seize power, I am ready.

If the citizen militia along the border was somehow violating US law, would not Obama have done something to remove them?
he didn't, it's safe to say they are legitimately exercising their rights
 
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come and get it

There is a lot of turmoil along the border, there is a citizen militia there, the Border Patrol, and now our military, if the President asks for help from the citizens, I am ready, willing, and able.

Alright. So the constitution gives you the right to have a gun because you're here to protect the country...and the country is not asking you to go to the border. Fair enough. So we don't need to take your gun away because you're available to execute on your constitutional duty.

Yet you'd be incompetent as militia - in addition to being a general danger to society (as hard statistics discussed here show). The coast guard and national guard devote serious time to make sure they can execute defensive operations like those on the border. You need to start spending your saturdays so you can successfully participate in the country's defense. Afterall, that's why your rights are protected.

Plus the constitution doesn't protect your rights to put fellow Americans at risk and so you can execute your duties without carrying guns around on a daily basis. No more carry. It sounds like we've reached an agreement here.
 
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This:
ROTFLMAO. Get this guy a bed at Bedford.


Is the perfect and deserved response to this:
you must be unfamiliar with the Spanish Civil War, which was a true civil war unlike ours which would be better named The War Between The States

and you must not be familiar with the oath taken entering the military:
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

whose side do you think soldiers and police (many of whom have served in the military) will be on, a tyrant, or the people?
 
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Now that guns have been allowed everywhere and thanks to the NRA, gun laws are increasingly lax....

you must be a morning person, you get dumber as the day goes on

guns are NOT allowed everywhere, open your eyes, you will see signs in quite a lot of places telling you that guns are not allowed
gun laws haven't changed much recently, and the changes that have been made mostly restrict them, not become more lax

but keep saying stupid things, it makes your position weaker

My bet is in five years gun laws are significantly different than they are now.

it's your money, but unless SC, President, and Congress are controlled by the same party, my money is on it is not likely there will be significant change
 
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Alright. So the constitution gives you the right to have a gun because you're here to protect the country...and the country is not asking you to go to the border. Fair enough. So we don't need to take your gun away because you're available to execute on your constitutional duty.

Yet you'd be incompetent as militia - in addition to being a general danger to society (as hard statistics discussed here show). The coast guard and national guard devote serious time to make sure they can execute defensive operations like those on the border. You need to start spending your saturdays so you can successfully participate in the country's defense. Afterall, that's why your rights are protected.

Plus the constitution doesn't protect your rights to put fellow Americans at risk and so you can execute your duties without carrying guns around on a daily basis. No more carry. It sounds like we've reached an agreement here.

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood
And fired the shot heard round the world.
 
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