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0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

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Brenthoven said:
C&C doesn't stop somebody from just grabbing a gun from home and walking into a place and start shooting. It doesn't stop in-house domestic shootings.
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If you get ******ed, but you gotta go home to get your gun out of the safe, and then walk back to where you got mad, that gives time for second thinking, for cooler heads to prevail. None of that whipping your gun out of your pocket and blasting away in the heat of the moment. No pulling your gun on the driver who cut you off.

None of those incidents that used to get settled with fists, like you bemoan.
 
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C&C also makes life more dangerous for the cops out there. Cops have to be on alert that anyone could have a gun. That is going to put you on edge in any and all situations.

If C&C didnt exist Philandro Castille is still alive.

The only people who should have guns in public are law enforcement. If you need a gun to feel safe at Wal-Mart you need to be medicated.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Brent is correct; he's proposed his ideas. You guys just come back and whine it's not enough, accuse him of talking out of both sides of his mouth, and then fail to articulate any more severe ideas that wouldn't require a Constitutional Amendment (which is not going to happen in our lifetimes).

You really want to stick it to the ammosexuals? Work on getting money out of politics - we can start by campaigning to overturn Citizens United. It shouldn't be hard to convince the self-proclaimed anti-globalists to join us in this effort.
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I agree with this.

jerphisch said:
So increased Govt spending on social programs to reduce poverty in order to reduce the supply of youth to gangs? I'm in!
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THey did a really interesting piece on NPR awhile ago about Baltimore. They had a thriving Community initiative with Police outreach to the community, involvement with youth, other groups. They were really improving. Then the new Police Chief decided that they didn't need to be a nanny state/social service agency and killed itall. The results were not good. For awhile there were all sorts of things like DARE. Funding dried up in a lot of places and poof.
 
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Handyman said:
C&C also makes life more dangerous for the cops out there. Cops have to be on alert that anyone could have a gun. That is going to put you on edge in any and all situations.

If C&C didnt exist Philandro Castille is still alive.

The only people who should have guns in public are law enforcement. If you need a gun to feel safe at Wal-Mart you need to be medicated.
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If Philandro Castille wasn't pulled over by an officer with an itchy trigger finger, he would be alive today. Philandro never once even held the gun when he was pulled over, just told the officer that it was in the glove compartment and then started following orders given to him.
 
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Brenthoven said:
And even if you BANZ THE GUNZ, anyone can still have a gun, since we are not an island. ;)
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Assuming they have law enforcement - Its funny how nearly every single other country where criminals have all the guns and 'honest folk' don't, there is a tiny fraction of the gun deaths compared to the US with its terrible gun laws.

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St. Clown said:
If Philandro Castille wasn't pulled over by an officer with an itchy trigger finger, he would be alive today. Philandro never once even held the gun when he was pulled over, just told the officer that it was in the glove compartment and then started following orders given to him.
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Japan forbids all small firearms and frequently has as low as 2 gun related homicides a year. Do you think Japanese law enforcement has itchy trigger fingers?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Japan forbids all small firearms and frequently has as low as 2 gun related homicides a year. Do you think Japanese law enforcement has itchy trigger fingers?
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A weapon was never once seen by the officer, nor was it reached for by Mr. Castillo. Stop blaming the victim.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Assuming they have law enforcement - Its funny how nearly every single other country where criminals have all the guns and 'honest folk' don't, there is a tiny fraction of the gun deaths compared to the US with its terrible gun laws.

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I think you mean our terrible attitude about guns.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Permitted conceal carry permit holders are not the issue. Those folks (hand in air as one) are more law-abiding than average. Heck, look at the hoops we have to go through for permitting to stay ( ... wait for it ... ) legal.
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Yeah, conceal carry holders just threaten others because of their guns. 1) Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively. 2) Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/

Oh and increase the likelihood of death for 1) themselves https://www.newscientist.com/articl...un-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ 2) others https://thehill.com/regulation/314618-report-concealed-carry-holders-killed-900-people-since-2007.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Yeah, conceal carry holders just threaten others because of their guns. 1) Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively. 2) Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/

Oh and increase the likelihood of death for 1) themselves https://www.newscientist.com/articl...un-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ 2) others https://thehill.com/regulation/314618-report-concealed-carry-holders-killed-900-people-since-2007.
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This would lead me to believe that those people are aggressive in the first place, which again, goes back to attitudes.
 
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St. Clown said:
A weapon was never once seen by the officer, nor was it reached for by Mr. Castillo. Stop blaming the victim.
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You missed. Handy's point - Castillo is alive if law enforcement knew there was no possibility of Castillo having a gun.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Yeah, conceal carry holders just threaten others because of their guns. 1) Drivers who carry guns are 44 percent more likely than unarmed drivers to make obscene gestures at other motorists, and 77 percent more likely to follow them aggressively. 2) Among Texans convicted of serious crimes, those with concealed-handgun licenses were sentenced for threatening someone with a firearm 4.8 times more than those without. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/

Oh and increase the likelihood of death for 1) themselves https://www.newscientist.com/articl...un-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ 2) others https://thehill.com/regulation/314618-report-concealed-carry-holders-killed-900-people-since-2007.
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THese kinds of stats have been in medical/public health literature since I was in Nursing school starting in 1978. The diff now is people are encouraged to get all puffed up about the conceal and carry- if they were normal people living in a normal place there is absolutely no reason for C&C except perhaps a visit to the psych folks for treatment of paranoia.

Even worse are the nimrods like the guy I saw in Nashua (small NH City) Best Buy awhile ago- with his open carry, American flag, pistol in the holster on his hip- while he carried his kid on the same hip. That is some kind of effed up. I honestly looked at him and thought, 'oh brother, this dude needs to get a life'.
 
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Brenthoven said:
This would lead me to believe that those people are aggressive in the first place, which again, goes back to attitudes.
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Sure. Give someone a gun, and they think they're a badazz, and no one's gonna fuk with them. So yeah, they approach every situation with attitude that they wouldn't have if they didn't have the gun.
 
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rufus said:
Sure. Give someone a gun, and they think they're a badazz, and no one's gonna fuk with them. So yeah, they approach every situation with attitude that they wouldn't have if they didn't have the gun.
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They have a gun because they are aggressive. They aren't aggressive just because they have a gun.
 
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