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[jerphisch]

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Apparently you (and JerpaDerp) have either ignored or forgotten my past suggestions for improved gun control.

I fully acknowledge your willing to make symbolic nibbles at the edges, but at any mention of meaningful changes you go straight to "WAR!"

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I fully acknowledge your willing to make symbolic nibbles at the edges, but at any mention of meaningful changes you go straight to "WAR!"

This.

 

[The Rube]

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I fully acknowledge your willing to make symbolic nibbles at the edges, but at any mention of meaningful changes you go straight to "WAR!"

I don't think that banning anyone that has been convicted of any sort of violent crime from owning a gun, or banning all modifications of any sort that affects the performance of the gun (in other words, it must remain the exact same as the store sold it), plus the mental health clearances, is "nibbling."

And anything short of BANZ THE GUNZ! is met by you and your ilk with "well, then you're not really doing anything."

 

[jerphisch]

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I don't think that banning anyone that has been convicted of any sort of violent crime from owning a gun,

Pretty much already the law...

or banning all modifications of any sort that affects the performance of the gun (in other words, it must remain the exact same as the store sold it)

Some already the law some not, nibbling

plus the mental health clearances

Pretty much already the law...

So where are these ideas that are actually doing something?

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

Pretty much already the law...

Some already the law some not, nibbling

Pretty much already the law...

So where are these ideas that are actually doing something?

The guy who beat his wife? Can still own a gun
The guy who had mental issues that did this last shootout? And didn't have enough to keep him from a gun? That would be fixed, legally.
The 2 independently mentally cleared permissions from doctors from owning a gun in the first place? Yeah, that's not there now.

Keep on with your BANZ THE GUNZ (but somehow not making this a police state) stance going. Nothing will get fixed with that stance.

You're as fanatic as the Gun Extremists.

 

[The Rube]

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BTW, changing clips to bought guns for more capacity? That would be against the law. Huh.

You have a lot of "sorta already" and "basically kinda" in your post.

It's not the same.

 

[jerphisch]

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The guy who beat his wife? Can still own a gun

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1] 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)[2]), is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

The act bans shipment, transport, possession, ownership, and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse that falls within the criteria set by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8). The 1968 Gun Control Act and subsequent amendments had previously prohibited anyone convicted of a felony and anyone subject to a domestic violence protective order from possessing a firearm. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

So what exactly are the improvements to that you propose?

 

[joecct]

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Life is cheap. We reduced it to an expense item rather than an asset.

Plus, in our video game culture you can commit mass murder and be celebrated for it.

Change the culture and you'll save lives.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Apparently you (and JerpaDerp) have either ignored or forgotten my past suggestions for improved gun control.

I am using you as an example of the broader guns group - but you guys are indeed part of the group that doesn't get the magnitude of the problem.

The point is that we need a major change in how guns are positioned in society. For the 100th time, nobody's saying guns should be banned. But today, guns are treated as a solution to fear because the are positioned as such by a gun supporter-backed US government through c&c and fear is stoked by the GOP and Fox. You are allowed to carry one around to potentially use as needed. The problem is that their legal usage is so narrow that it makes them practically useless - but the promise of solving your problems exists until you kill someone.

The solution: no guns outside of the home, gun range and specific designated hunting grounds. Guns need to stop being a solution to common day fears, anger and self esteem issues of those who seem to have them. Until that's fixed, accidental and spontaneous and premeditated mass gun deaths will be unlimited.

Life is cheap. We reduced it to an expense item rather than an asset.

Plus, in our video game culture you can commit mass murder and be celebrated for it.

Change the culture and you'll save lives.

Who pays to fix that Mr. Small Government? Oh and there's this first amendment thing. And lastly, the second guarantees a militia not guns everywhere.

 

[The Rube]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

I am using you as an example of the broader guns group - but you guys are indeed part of the group that doesn't get the magnitude of the problem.

The point is that we need a major change in how guns are positioned in society. For the 100th time, nobody's saying guns should be banned. But today, guns are treated as a solution to fear because the are positioned as such by a gun supporter-backed US government through c&c and fear is stoked by the GOP and Fox. You are allowed to carry one around to potentially use as needed. The problem is that their legal usage is so narrow that it makes them practically useless - but the promise of solving your problems exists until you kill someone.

The solution: no guns outside of the home, gun range and specific designated hunting grounds. Guns need to stop being a solution to common day fears, anger and self esteem issues of those who seem to have them. Until that's fixed, accidental and spontaneous and premeditated mass gun deaths will be unlimite



Who pays to fix that Mr. Small Government? Oh and there's this first amendment thing. And lastly, the second guarantees a militia not guns everywhere.

No law is going to fix that. And I agree that ATTITUDES towards guns need to change. They are not a solution to all one's problems.

 

[5mn_Major]

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No law is going to fix that. And I agree that ATTITUDES towards guns need to change. They are not a solution to all one's problems.

We need to try to stop positioning guns to be a solution for fear, anger and self esteem - which has gone on full derp mode since c&c was implemented across the country. End c&c.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Remember, guns are already banned at these places. http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/

 

[The Rube]

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We need to try to stop positioning guns to be a solution for fear, anger and self esteem - which has gone on full derp mode since c&c was implemented across the country. End c&c.

It was full derp before that, unfortunately.

 

[leswp1]

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We need to try to stop positioning guns to be a solution for fear, anger and self esteem - which has gone on full derp mode since c&c was implemented across the country. End c&c.

The NRA used the Obama election as a wonderful marketing tool to increase sales. They fed people the BS about trying to take away guns and ammo and the sheeple bought stuff up like nobody's business. In the end this really is all about money. Until folks figure that out the cancer will continue to grow. The whole load of horse manure was carefully orchestrated to increase the sales of guns- the steady feed of false stories about Libruls wanting to ban all guns, banning access to all ammo, etc. Now you have a whole subset of people who truly believed that stuff and even more fantastical nonsense spawned from the crazies who climbed on. Their willingness to be ridiculously extreme to 'protect their rights' created an equally extreme subset of people who are now rabid to ban everything. Meanwhile the manufacturers were rubbing their hands together in glee. They could give a rats a55 about people 'protecting themselves from the boogie man'. They just want people to keep living in fear and believing the false narrative that a gun makes then safer.

Sales went down when the Cheeto in Chief got into office and they all panicked. They don't have the engine that drove the crazy, now we just have the conspiracy theorists to feed the sheeple. NRA isn't financially as viable. Should be interesting to see what happens next....

 

[The Rube]

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I think we all agree that the *attitude* towards guns needs to change (in their usage to solve issues, properly storing them when not in use, etc).
I think we all agree that *who* should be able to own a gun needs to be narrowed down, so that only the truly responsible people can own them.

And after that, well, there's the muck that we are in. The devil is always in the details.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

No one deserves to own a semi auto human being killing machine. No one.

 

[aparch]

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The problem is the NRA's ham fisted attitude of being the Oprah of Gun Sales for the sake of short term sales, means that there will be consequences to pay.

Had they pushed for responsible gun ownership and a little tightening of the reigns (their original motive), we might not be at this point where guns *will* be confiscated soon.

The Democrats weren't coming for their guns despite their projection until they crossed a bridge to far.

 

[leswp1]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

The problem is the NRA's ham fisted attitude of being the Oprah of Gun Sales for the sake of short term sales, means that there will be consequences to pay.

Had they pushed for responsible gun ownership and a little tightening of the reigns (their original motive), we might not be at this point where guns *will* be confiscated soon.

The Democrats weren't coming for their guns despite their projection until they crossed a bridge to far.

this

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Guns are so wonderful.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My God. <br><br>American police just killed another "good guy with a gun."<br><br>Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr., better known as EJ, the son of a police officer, was an active duty officer for the Army, home for Thanksgiving. <br><br>Murdered by police yesterday in a mall shooting in Alabama. <a href="https://t.co/xHsiOPUD5y">pic.twitter.com/xHsiOPUD5y</a></p>— Shaun King (@shaunking) <a href="https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1066317381302132736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[5mn_Major]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: Keep The Calendar At Zero

I think we all agree that the *attitude* towards guns needs to change (in their usage to solve issues, properly storing them when not in use, etc).
I think we all agree that *who* should be able to own a gun needs to be narrowed down, so that only the truly responsible people can own them.

And after that, well, there's the muck that we are in. The devil is always in the details.

No devil in the details. We have solutions. You don't.

Its simple. If you have no solutions to gun deaths...yet hinder us in saving lives, you're complicit.