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[The Rube]

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Brent has been consistent about his proposals. Drew has mostly murmured about "mental health checks", while simultaneously defending Trump's end to Obama's policy on dementia patients being denied guns, so that tells you all you need to know about Drew's opinion.

He has a bright spot here and there, so I have to give credit where credit is due. I don't like his overall position.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Representative Swalwell was surely just kidding around when he said, "The government has nukes", in response to the posit that not everyone would willing accept confiscation by force.

Not his finest hour.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/11/16/rep-eric-swalwell-thinks-gun-confiscatio

https://www.google.com/search?q=con...rome..69i57.5605j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I think Swalwell may have, for the first time in over one hundred weeks, knocked POTUS out of the "worst elected official Tweet of the week" number one ranking.

Glad to see someone is stepping up. And he's right. Morons that think they're going to 2nd Amendment Remedy the government collecting their guns are nuts.

 

[Drew S.]

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How do you define this? I have asked a few avid 'don't take my guns' folk this question and also to give suggestions of what they would consider reasonable regulations regarding ownership. I have never gotten an answer. (going on about 5 yrs now). If I get any acknowledgement at all it is an immediate response about the slippery slope but no answer that could be constructive. So maybe you can answer. What do you think would be reasonable as a way to increase safety while preserving the right to own?

Yes.

I really don't get the rabid opposition to requiring licensing, to make sure people know safety and how to care for a gun. My kid pointed out he could legally buy a gun in some places before he could drink or rent a car. His opinion about that was.... not favorable.

Sorry, I've had a busy few days and never got a chance to respond to this. This is wishful thinking, but it would be nice if some non-partisan, informed panel would revise our gun laws. It will never happen though. There is way too much extremism on both sides.

As far as what I would like to see, I've said multiple times there should be some sort of waiting period to buy a gun. A week or something like that would be good and hopefully would let people cool off if they're buying a gun with the intent to harm themselves or others. People who have dementia or something that could lead them to cause harm to themselves or others shouldn't have guns(they should be confiscated in a safe and responsible manner, not a bunch of cops knocking down someone's door.) There should be some sort of national licensing scheme, you wouldn't necessarily have to have one to own a gun, but it would make it easier for people who shoot, hunt, etc. It would ensure that people are safely trained and hopefully weed out some of the people who have mental health issues.

This is somewhat beside the issue, but there should be more done to protect domestic violence/potential domestic violence victims. I'm not sure exactly what that entails, but it should be done.

The goal of any new gun regulations should be to reduce gun deaths overall, not to stop the mass shooting events. The bottom line is what counts not random events.

 

[leswp1]

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Thanks folks. I guess I didn't read far enough back.

In UK they need to keep guns at a gun club, not at home. I would love to see something like storage lockers only have it be for guns. This would be great for things like Vets who struggle at times and have an informal system of handing over their guns to someone safe when they feel they aren't safe, folks who like to hunt, etc. Safe place to keep them, easily accessible when you want them. .

 

[5mn_Major]

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Active shooter at a hospital in So. Chicago.

 

[The Rube]

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And Denver had a shooting tonight.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Active shooter at a hospital in So. Chicago.

Did the doctors stay in their lane?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Did the doctors stay in their lane?

I hope so. They really stepped out of line before.

 

[5mn_Major]

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It was not a result of mental instability and would not show up in any databases. It was not the cause of computer game violence. It was not caused by some medication. It was not a gang banger getting illegal access to a gun. The hospital shooter went on a rampage because he was angry.

At what point can we just say that the shooter killed because he had a gun?

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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At what point can we just say that the shooter killed because he had a gun?

For people with sufficient critical thinking skills and a little bit of common sense, we arrived at that point when the firearm was first invented. For a large subset of American society though, that point will never see their arrival. Look at how many people lost loved ones in the Las Vegas shooting from last Fall. I heard a number of interviews with fathers and other relatives of victims who did not think our gun laws played much of a part -- if any part at all. If seeing your daughter in a hospital bed, with tubes sticking in her all over her body is not enough for you to think something big needs to change, there is literally nothing that will bring you around. Nothing.

 

[leswp1]

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For people with sufficient critical thinking skills and a little bit of common sense, we arrived at that point when the firearm was first invented. For a large subset of American society though, that point will never see their arrival. Look at how many people lost loved ones in the Las Vegas shooting from last Fall. I heard a number of interviews with fathers and other relatives of victims who did not think our gun laws played much of a part -- if any part at all. If seeing your daughter in a hospital bed, with tubes sticking in her all over her body is not enough for you to think something big needs to change, there is literally nothing that will bring you around. Nothing.

This. Denial is the most potent drug known to human kind.

 

[burd]

This. Denial is the most potent drug known to human kind.

Hell it is.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Our Truth
By Sandra Parks

'Sometimes, I sit back and I have to escape from what I see and hear every day. I put my headphones on and let the music take me away. I move to the beat and try to think about life and what everything means. When I do; I come to the same conclusion … we are in a state of chaos. In the city in which I live, I hear and see examples of chaos almost everyday. Little children are victims of senseless gun violence. There is too much black on black crime. As an African-American, that makes me feel depressed. Many people have Lost faith in America and its ability to be a living example of Dr. King’s dream!

The truth is faith and hope in what people can do, has been lost in the poor choices we make. We shall overcome has been lost in the lie of who we have become! So now, the real truth is, we need to rewrite our story so that faith and hope for a better tomorrow, is not only within us, but we believe it and we put it into actions.

Our first truth is that we must start caring about each other. We need to be empathetic and try to walk in each other’s shoes. We shall overcome when we eliminate the negative and nasty comments people make about each other. We shall overcome, when we love ourselves and the people around us. Then, we become our brothers keeper.

Our second truth is that we need to have purpose. We are the future generation, therefore we must have an education to make a positive difference in the world. We are the future leaders, but if we don’t have an education, we will accomplish nothing. We will overcome, when we use our education to make the world a better place. We will become the next President, law enforcement officers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, and law makers. We cannot continue to put the responsibility on other people. It is our responsibility as future leaders!

We must not allow the lies of violence, racism, and prejudice to be our truth. The truth begins with us. Instead of passing each other like ships in the night, we must fight until our truths stretch to the ends of the world.'

The award winning essay by a 13 yo Sandra Parks - who said 'Mama, I'm shot' and then died in her living room due to a gun shot wound. Brent, Drew, how about now?

 

[jerphisch]

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The award winning essay by a 13 yo Sandra Parks - who said 'Mama, I'm shot' and then died in her living room due to a gun shot wound. Brent, Drew, how about now?

It's cute that you think they'll change their minds.

 

[St. Clown]

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Our Truth
By Sandra Parks

'Sometimes, I sit back and I have to escape from what I see and hear every day. I put my headphones on and let the music take me away. I move to the beat and try to think about life and what everything means. When I do; I come to the same conclusion … we are in a state of chaos. In the city in which I live, I hear and see examples of chaos almost everyday. Little children are victims of senseless gun violence. There is too much black on black crime. As an African-American, that makes me feel depressed. Many people have Lost faith in America and its ability to be a living example of Dr. King’s dream!

The truth is faith and hope in what people can do, has been lost in the poor choices we make. We shall overcome has been lost in the lie of who we have become! So now, the real truth is, we need to rewrite our story so that faith and hope for a better tomorrow, is not only within us, but we believe it and we put it into actions.

Our first truth is that we must start caring about each other. We need to be empathetic and try to walk in each other’s shoes. We shall overcome when we eliminate the negative and nasty comments people make about each other. We shall overcome, when we love ourselves and the people around us. Then, we become our brothers keeper.

Our second truth is that we need to have purpose. We are the future generation, therefore we must have an education to make a positive difference in the world. We are the future leaders, but if we don’t have an education, we will accomplish nothing. We will overcome, when we use our education to make the world a better place. We will become the next President, law enforcement officers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, and law makers. We cannot continue to put the responsibility on other people. It is our responsibility as future leaders!

We must not allow the lies of violence, racism, and prejudice to be our truth. The truth begins with us. Instead of passing each other like ships in the night, we must fight until our truths stretch to the ends of the world.'

The award winning essay by a 13 yo Sandra Parks - who said 'Mama, I'm shot' and then died in her living room due to a gun shot wound. Brent, Drew, how about now?

The fact that the girl who wrote that entry was killed by a bullet should have no more or less weight that a girl or boy killed by a bullet who couldn't write an essay like that. Your post is, ultimately, irrelevant to the overall discussion except as an attempt to make a purely emotional plea.

 

[5mn_Major]

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The fact that the girl who wrote that entry was killed by a bullet should have no more or less weight that a girl or boy killed by a bullet who couldn't write an essay like that. Your post is, ultimately, irrelevant to the overall discussion except as an attempt to make a purely emotional plea.

It is an attempt to make an emotional plea. She was a little girl shot in the safety of her house by a gun. She would not have been shot by a knife.

So in other words...it's not time yet?

 

[St. Clown]

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It is an attempt to make an emotional plea. She was a little girl shot in the safety of her house by a gun. She would not have been shot by a knife.

So in other words...it's not time yet?

I didn't say it's not time, nor would you read those words coming from my account. In fact, I've long said elsewise. What I'm saying is that holding up one little girl who was a shooting victim and happened to write a nice essay is not the way to do it. You'd be far better off showing the three people, one of whom was a child, who were shot at by a man with a pistol while waiting for a bus the other day. One dead, another wounded, and the child escaped without injury, and all caught on video. It's a far more impactful and relevant argument, one that focuses on the perpetrator being a man with a pistol simply opening fire on a group of people.

People won't react en masse to that girl with the poem because there are too many unknowns, so many ways for people who want liberalized gun laws to deflect from the situation.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I didn't say it's not time, nor would you read those words coming from my account. In fact, I've long said elsewise. What I'm saying is that holding up one little girl who was a shooting victim and happened to write a nice essay is not the way to do it. You'd be far better off showing the three people, one of whom was a child, who were shot at by a man with a pistol while waiting for a bus the other day. One dead, another wounded, and the child escaped without injury, and all caught on video. It's a far more impactful and relevant argument, one that focuses on the perpetrator being a man with a pistol simply opening fire on a group of people.

People won't react en masse to that girl with the poem because there are too many unknowns, so many ways for people who want liberalized gun laws to deflect from the situation.

I don't doubt that I wouldn't see that from your account. But whenever one argues against a point asking for gun control - its easy for others to misconstrue that they are against it.

I would also bet that you've seen few posters provide mass studies/statistics on the danger of guns than myself. In the last year alone, I've posted studies on state laws, country laws, murder rates, dangerous cities, conceal and carry statistics, child endangerment, even hunting accidents. But when you build a house, you use all the tools available. The same holds in a war.

 

[unofan]

The fact that the girl who wrote that entry was killed by a bullet should have no more or less weight that a girl or boy killed by a bullet who couldn't write an essay like that. Your post is, ultimately, irrelevant to the overall discussion except as an attempt to make a purely emotional plea.

Given that this country did nothing after 20 kindergartners were gunned down, you're right. But that doesn't make it good.

 

[The Rube]

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Brent, Drew, how about now?

Apparently you (and JerpaDerp) have either ignored or forgotten my past suggestions for improved gun control.