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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Srsly. Think of where the bar is now.
Srsly. Think of where the bar is now.
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0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
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These kids brought it on themselves by growing from fetus to child. As long as they’re a fetus they’re afforded great protections by our current leaders
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
America 2018
That person's reaction is crushing.
America 2018
That person's reaction is crushing.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
This. Stay in the Womb and you'll get the full political force of the NRA and the GOP behind you forever.
This. Stay in the Womb and you'll get the full political force of the NRA and the GOP behind you forever.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
More details in that Plymouth MN case, where the 7YO shot himself in the head. The mother's "friend" missed a probation meeting, and apparently hid the gun and ammo in different boxes in the woman's house. Methinks the woman knows more than she's letting on.
Either way...anyone see the REAL issue here? Hint: it ain't the gun.
More details in that Plymouth MN case, where the 7YO shot himself in the head. The mother's "friend" missed a probation meeting, and apparently hid the gun and ammo in different boxes in the woman's house. Methinks the woman knows more than she's letting on.
Either way...anyone see the REAL issue here? Hint: it ain't the gun.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
So if she had left her rock collection hidden in the house he still would have shot himself?
So if she had left her rock collection hidden in the house he still would have shot himself?
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Yeah, that's it. You're getting it now.
And this is why we can't have a real discussion about guns. Extremists ON BOTH SIDES can't sit down and talk rationally.
Yeah, that's it. You're getting it now.
And this is why we can't have a real discussion about guns. Extremists ON BOTH SIDES can't sit down and talk rationally.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Maybe you need to go back and read your post again if you want to find where it all started to go wrong.
Maybe you need to go back and read your post again if you want to find where it all started to go wrong.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
1. She didn't know her friend as well as she thought.
2. Her friend had already broke the law by missing the meeting.
3. Her friend decided to HIDE A GUN AND AMMO (with or without her knowledge) which is against his probation ruling IN THE FIRST PLACE
4. He even had illegal (key word here, illegal) access to a gun in the first place
3 of the 4 points deal with illegal activities and attitude. NO additional law would have stopped him here, and guess what, I'm FOR additional laws! Wow, imagine that.
1. She didn't know her friend as well as she thought.
2. Her friend had already broke the law by missing the meeting.
3. Her friend decided to HIDE A GUN AND AMMO (with or without her knowledge) which is against his probation ruling IN THE FIRST PLACE
4. He even had illegal (key word here, illegal) access to a gun in the first place
3 of the 4 points deal with illegal activities and attitude. NO additional law would have stopped him here, and guess what, I'm FOR additional laws! Wow, imagine that.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
And yet, in the end, a gun was still what killed him. Dismissing guns as not being a problem is just as extreme as wanting them banned.
And yet, in the end, a gun was still what killed him. Dismissing guns as not being a problem is just as extreme as wanting them banned.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
In THIS particular issue? Per my original post, it ain't the gun.
In THIS particular issue? Per my original post, it ain't the gun.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Remind me again, what was the cause of death?
Remind me again, what was the cause of death?
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Irresponsible and illegal keeping of a gun that was misfired. Try again. There were laws that would have prevented this, already in place.
Irresponsible and illegal keeping of a gun that was misfired. Try again. There were laws that would have prevented this, already in place.
Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
I'll go with gunshot wound. The fact that you can't just be honest about it goes against your "reasonable moderate" stance.
I'll go with gunshot wound. The fact that you can't just be honest about it goes against your "reasonable moderate" stance.
Slap Shot
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
Brent you're being 100% disingenuous. If the asshats didn't have an unsecured gun (wasn't it you arguing about the importance of using safes to lock up guns?) in the house the kid couldn't have shot himself. Come on man.
Brent you're being 100% disingenuous. If the asshats didn't have an unsecured gun (wasn't it you arguing about the importance of using safes to lock up guns?) in the house the kid couldn't have shot himself. Come on man.
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Yes, I am arguing the use of safes. I'm arguing it here, also. It was an unsecured gun that was used (irresponsible, which I mentioned twice now). On TOP of that, that gun should never have been possessed in the first place, because of the person's probation conditions (due to laws already in place).
If it were up to me, not only would the gun owner get punished, if there was any way to find out who supplied him the gun, find that out and punish them, too.
Yes, I am arguing the use of safes. I'm arguing it here, also. It was an unsecured gun that was used (irresponsible, which I mentioned twice now). On TOP of that, that gun should never have been possessed in the first place, because of the person's probation conditions (due to laws already in place).
If it were up to me, not only would the gun owner get punished, if there was any way to find out who supplied him the gun, find that out and punish them, too.
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Brent, you're one of the good ones...but you're off on this. Is 'punishment' supposed to make us feel better about someone dying...how does that stop other innocents from getting killed? It doesn't.
What you deem as 'meeting in the middle' will barely move the needle in terms of death
We need:
0) Interpret the 2nd correctly and treat guns as a restricted, managed and dangerous necessity
1) Have a 'no tolerance' policy for guns on the streets - if hunters need to hunt put up select areas for that (Its amazing how much push back I've gotten from some on this)
2) No tolerance lock up of every gun - have a tax with every gun where buyers get a free safe
3) Only allow gun purchases to those without any criminal, behavior records
4) extensive mandatory training
5) Force manufacturers to produce guns only capable of low rates of fire and reduce magazines further
6) How about forcing gun owners to participate in a monthly managed 'well regulated' militia organization? I thought the constitution was important.
Brent, you're one of the good ones...but you're off on this. Is 'punishment' supposed to make us feel better about someone dying...how does that stop other innocents from getting killed? It doesn't.
What you deem as 'meeting in the middle' will barely move the needle in terms of death
We need:
0) Interpret the 2nd correctly and treat guns as a restricted, managed and dangerous necessity
1) Have a 'no tolerance' policy for guns on the streets - if hunters need to hunt put up select areas for that (Its amazing how much push back I've gotten from some on this)
2) No tolerance lock up of every gun - have a tax with every gun where buyers get a free safe
3) Only allow gun purchases to those without any criminal, behavior records
4) extensive mandatory training
5) Force manufacturers to produce guns only capable of low rates of fire and reduce magazines further
6) How about forcing gun owners to participate in a monthly managed 'well regulated' militia organization? I thought the constitution was important.
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The bold I am in complete agreement with. The underlined I feel would be sort of the same as the training. Sort of like renewing your driver's license.
Interested in the "free safe" idea, just don't know where the money would come from.
The bold I am in complete agreement with. The underlined I feel would be sort of the same as the training. Sort of like renewing your driver's license.
Interested in the "free safe" idea, just don't know where the money would come from.
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Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!
What if he had just hidden an illegal knife?
What if he had just hidden an illegal knife?
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