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0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

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Drew S. said:
The police and secret service are two completely different entities.
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Both have the same job. You're content with letting the Secret Service do theirs, but don't afford the police the same level of trust/respect.
 
rufus said:
Both have the same job. You're content with letting the Secret Service do theirs, but don't afford the police the same level of trust/respect.
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So you’re trying to say the police and secret service have the same qualifications to get hired and the training is the same? Makes sense.
 
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CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns
CDC surveys in the 1990s, never publicly reported, indicate nearly 2.5 million defensive uses of guns a year. That matches the results of Gary Kleck's controversial surveys, and it indicates more defensive than offensive uses of guns.
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https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

Mentioning the CDC ...

The CDC, which has an annual budget of $11 billion, was banned from using federal funds to “advocate or promote gun control” in 1996 by the so-called Dickey Amendment, which was created in response to gun controllers in the Clinton administration. (That ban was quietly lifted in the dreaded 2018 budget omnibus, though apparently no funding has been allocated to researching gun violence yet.)
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https://capitalresearch.org/article/why-is-the-cdc-hiding-its-defensive-gun-use-statistics/
 
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rufus said:
Both have the same job. You're content with letting the Secret Service do theirs, but don't afford the police the same level of trust/respect.
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The Secret Service will be with The VP. Do you constantly have the police following you around 24/7? I support law enforcement 100%, but know that they can't be everywhere all the time.
 
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Yeah, no one's ever been shot with the Secret Service around.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
https://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

Mentioning the CDC ...



https://capitalresearch.org/article/why-is-the-cdc-hiding-its-defensive-gun-use-statistics/
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https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

From that article:

"The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.

"The average person ... has basically no chance in their lifetime ever to use a gun in self-defense," he tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "But ... every day, they have a chance to use the gun inappropriately. They have a chance, they get angry. They get scared."

Also:
"...part of the reason experts are so divided on the number is the difficulty in obtaining reliable survey data on the issue.
"The researchers who look at [Kleck's study] say this is just bad science," Hemenway says. "It's a well-known problem in epidemiology that if something's a rare event, and you just try to ask how many people have done this, you will get incredible overestimates."
In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens. The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data."

I think more definitive research needs to be done.
 
Ronny Wolf said:
The Secret Service will be with The VP. Do you constantly have the police following you around 24/7? I support law enforcement 100%, but know that they can't be everywhere all the time.
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The fact people are trying to turn this into some big deal shows how insane they are. If you’re in a room protected by the secret service you do not need a gun.
 
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The cops are the folks that stop by too late, to try to figure out what happened before they got there, and write it down.
 
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Drew S. said:
So you’re trying to say the police and secret service have the same qualifications to get hired and the training is the same? Makes sense.
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If we're talking Michigan State Police to Secret Service. Yes.

If we're talking about Montague County Sheriff Buford T. Justice to Secret Service. No.


I'd like to remind you that Presidential detail is something that only the hand selected group of secret service agents will get the opportunity to do. The majority of secret service agents are utilized for investigations and lower importance private security for federal officials.
 
dave122793 said:
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

From that article:

"The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.

"The average person ... has basically no chance in their lifetime ever to use a gun in self-defense," he tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "But ... every day, they have a chance to use the gun inappropriately. They have a chance, they get angry. They get scared."

Also:
"...part of the reason experts are so divided on the number is the difficulty in obtaining reliable survey data on the issue.
"The researchers who look at [Kleck's study] say this is just bad science," Hemenway says. "It's a well-known problem in epidemiology that if something's a rare event, and you just try to ask how many people have done this, you will get incredible overestimates."
In fact, Cook told The Washington Post that the percentage of people who told Kleck they used a gun in self-defense is similar to the percentage of Americans who said they were abducted by aliens. The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data."

I think more definitive research needs to be done.
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Obviously........

Aliens (like criminals) avoid those who carry weapons and prey on the unarmed.

Geeeesh!
 
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Drew S. said:
The fact people are trying to turn this into some big deal shows how insane they are. If you’re in a room protected by the secret service you do not need a gun.
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It does show the irony by the anti-gun group, though.

Take any famous speaker who is out somewhere dictating to us that we don't need guns. Take a look around that speaker, and see how many guns (whether concealed or in the open; you can usually tell which ones have them concealed) there are. If it's not OK for us to have guns because we supposedly don't need them, then why do they need them, and why is OK for the speaker (and accomplices) to have them?
 
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