0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

[walrus]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Oh, no. I believe in law and order. My grenades should be as legal as those AK47's Semi-Auto Military style guns with a bump stock.

ill bet you could'nt make a bump stock work.

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[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

ill bet you could'nt make a bump stock work.

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I bet I could. I used to work in mechanical design. I wasn't awful at it either.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

I bet I could. I used to work in mechanical design. I wasn't awful at it either.

So, then, as the man says ...

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Americans are dying.

You may wish to dismiss it as "stupid" or "false equivalency" but I already made the case that booze is killing Americans at an alarming rate, just as this thread claims guns are, at rates like firearms. And booze has a lobby giving out as much graft as guns. (link previously given)

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. As someone said, facts, and a source even. How many more Americans are dying a self-inflicted death each day from alcohol not involving a car.

The courts and legislatures are taking on drunk driving, it's stigmatized, the bars are being held to account, it's PSA'd, we're trying, yet, still, 29 per day. Is it time for an outright ban (see Amendment 18).


And given the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke, why not completely ban that also. That's killing Americans, directly and indirectly, something with questionable benefits to society, also. As a matter of fact, go back and read this not thinking guns, or booze, but cigarettes (obviously omitting Constitutional references).



After I get your guns, your booze, and your smokes, whatever shall I come for next.

Except you don't actually want to ban booze and are being a low effort troll per usual. Alcohol provides far greater utility to society and I don't think anyone in this thread has ever mentioned wanting to ban guns altogether. So again, you're making a dumb comparison on top of a strawman. Typical Republican nonsensical argument.

Seriously, $h!t posting like this would get you a timeout on other forums. It's not like you're breaking new ground here, the vast majority of sane people want tighter gun laws because we have some of the most lax in the world and we have far more mass shootings than any other country. We can pretend that our gun laws work better than all of our allies and other developed nations despite all evidence indicating otherwise... or actually engage our brains and realize that's clearly not the case.

 

[burd]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Except you don't actually want to ban booze and are being a low effort troll per usual. Alcohol provides far greater utility to society and I don't think anyone in this thread has ever mentioned wanting to ban guns altogether. So again, you're making a dumb comparison on top of a strawman. Typical Republican nonsensical argument.

Seriously, $h!t posting like this would get you a timeout on other forums. It's not like you're breaking new ground here, the vast majority of sane people want tighter gun laws because we have some of the most lax in the world and we have far more mass shootings than any other country. We can pretend that our gun laws work better than all of our allies and other developed nations despite all evidence indicating otherwise... or actually engage our brains and realize that's clearly not the case.

While I don't often agree with Sicatoka, what on earth about his post would get him a timeout on other forums?

 

[Handyman]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Americans are dying.

You may wish to dismiss it as "stupid" or "false equivalency" but I already made the case that booze is killing Americans at an alarming rate, just as this thread claims guns are, at rates like firearms. And booze has a lobby giving out as much graft as guns. (link previously given)

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. As someone said, facts, and a source even. How many more Americans are dying a self-inflicted death each day from alcohol not involving a car.

The courts and legislatures are taking on drunk driving, it's stigmatized, the bars are being held to account, it's PSA'd, we're trying, yet, still, 29 per day. Is it time for an outright ban (see Amendment 18).


And given the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke, why not completely ban that also. That's killing Americans, directly and indirectly, something with questionable benefits to society, also. As a matter of fact, go back and read this not thinking guns, or booze, but cigarettes (obviously omitting Constitutional references).



After I get your guns, your booze, and your smokes, whatever shall I come for next.

And again (because you cant seem to actually read anything) booze is regulated, laws are changed to try and curb the deaths caused. Guns arent because nutjobs like you and your friends make stupid arguments like this one and a certain segment of the population eats it for breakfast.

Here is a tip Mr. "On the Board of Directors, Have Security Clearance Trying to Save Us From the Harmful EMPs" Troll, if you want to use an analogy, use one that actually parallels. The more you beat this moronic drum the more you ook like a gun humper, and sound like a Trump lover. (cause this is how stupid they are) Your point was valid the first time, the second everyoe pointed out the holes and flaws that is when you stop. Just repeating yourself doesnt all of a sudden make it true. It makes you a troll, and a dumb one at that. Christ even SJHovey is against you he is hardly some gun hating *******...

We arent coming for your guns, we never have been and we never will be. Your fear-mongering makes you seem weak.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Except you don't actually want to ban booze and are being a low effort troll per usual. Alcohol provides far greater utility to society ...

Are you sure? I have precedent (A18) and I've been broadsided by a drunk driver. I survived.

As far as your second statement, 29 vehicular alcohol related deaths per day, and then there's this from the CDC:

Drinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years. Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years. The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2010 were estimated at $249 billion, or $2.05 a drink.

Tell me again about "far greater utility to society".


PS - I'm a mod on a different board. This wouldn't get me a TO; folks going ad hominem against me just might however.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

And again (because you cant seem to actually read anything) booze is regulated, laws are changed to try and curb the deaths caused. Guns arent because nutjobs like you and your friends make stupid arguments like this one and a certain segment of the population eats it for breakfast.

Guns and booze are both regulated to little avail. And the laws keep trying to adapt and keep up.

Americans are still dying from misuse of both.

 

[Handyman]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

While I don't often agree with Sicatoka, what on earth about his post would get him a timeout on other forums?

There are boards that would take his repeating the same post over and over again as trolling. Plenty of boards ban trolling. Those boards such and are boring and I never go to them anymore. They do exist though.

At least before Sicatoka hid it better. Nowadays he is just lazy. Maybe having clowns like Flaggy and Drew around made him rethink his trolling actions.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

We arent coming for your guns, we never have been and we never will be. Your fear-mongering makes you seem weak.

What fear-mongering?

I'm showing another item (items?) that, for whatever reason, we put up with when we know it's harming society. Folks have said it here: nobody needs a gun. Well, nobody needs booze or smokes either.


We as a society need to take a good hard look in the mirror and decide who we want to be. We need to look at all of our vices.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

There are boards that would take his repeating the same post over and over again as trolling.

Repeating a point in an argument is not trolling.

Trust me, I know trolling: I deal with NDSU fans on a UND board.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Are you sure? I have precedent (A18) and I've been broadsided by a drunk driver. I survived.

As far as your second statement, 29 vehicular alcohol related deaths per day, and then there's this from the CDC:

You can solve this without banning alcohol. Increase public transit like Europe and I'm sure you'd see it go down drastically, it's not like they drink significantly less than we do. And again nobody has said anything about wanting to ban guns altogether so this is still really stupid.

Tell me again about "far greater utility to society".

Helping people socialize, network, form lasting relationships, unwind, and more or less having self injected truth serum is actually incredibly useful to society. Banning it and creating a black market for it worked really well too so you can't possibly be this much of an idiot.

While I don't often agree with Sicatoka, what on earth about his post would get him a timeout on other forums?

Constantly making dumb false equivalency $h!t posts that have been addressed 10000000000x over and isn't advancing any discussion. That and blatant concern trolling.

 

[aparch]

What fear-mongering?

I'm showing another item (items?) that, for whatever reason, we put up with when we know it's harming society. Folks have said it here: nobody needs a gun. Well, nobody needs booze or smokes either.


We as a society need to take a good hard look in the mirror and decide who we want to be. We need to look at all of our vices.

What about weed? Why is it a federal felony when no one has been killed* because of it?

*I'll admit, I'm lazy and on mobile at work so I don't have the documentation to back this up.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

There's this thing, this item, allowed by the Constitution. Some can handle the use of the item responsibly, with no ill effects to themselves or others. Others not so much, meaning they may end up killing themselves or others through horrible decisions involving (mis)use of this item. And an argument can be made that no one really needs this item; one can survive without it. An argument can be made that the item does more harm than good to society; other's disagree. And we could solve the problem by revoking an Amendment of the Constitution. But which Amendment: 2, or 21.

Here's the kicker - states, counties and cities can all take action on alcohol, should they so choose. There's nothing guaranteeing your right to consume alcohol in the 21st Amendment, it merely repeals the 18th Amendment, and, by default, all the crime and murders that came with the 18th.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

What about weed? Why is it a federal felony when no one has been killed* because of it?

*I'll admit, I'm lazy and on mobile at work so I don't have the documentation to back this up.

This thread is about guns... do we really need to address his silly deflection?

 

[aparch]

This thread is about guns... do we really need to address his silly deflection?

My bad. Good point.


To add some actual substance to this thread: for the year to date, 31 people have been documented as shooting themselves in the junk within the City of Chicago. (Source: HeyJackA**.com)

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Americans are dying.

You may wish to dismiss it as "stupid" or "false equivalency" but I already made the case that booze is killing Americans at an alarming rate, just as this thread claims guns are, at rates like firearms. And booze has a lobby giving out as much graft as guns. (link previously given)

Every day, 29 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. As someone said, facts, and a source even. How many more Americans are dying a self-inflicted death each day from alcohol not involving a car.

The courts and legislatures are taking on drunk driving, it's stigmatized, the bars are being held to account, it's PSA'd, we're trying, yet, still, 29 per day. Is it time for an outright ban (see Amendment 18).


And given the dangers of smoking and second hand smoke, why not completely ban that also. That's killing Americans, directly and indirectly, something with questionable benefits to society, also. As a matter of fact, go back and read this not thinking guns, or booze, but cigarettes (obviously omitting Constitutional references).

Not big on personal freedoms are you? Should we ban phones and sex next?

After I get your guns, your booze, and your smokes, whatever shall I come for next.

If you want push for the prohibition of alcohol or modes of transportation - go start a thread on those. They have nothing to do with firearms.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

My bad. Good point.


To add some actual substance to this thread: for the year to date, 31 people have been documented as shooting themselves in the junk within the City of Chicago. (Source: HeyJackA**.com)

I'm all for having that discussion as it is a topic I'm interested in, it's just this thread keeps getting hijacked by someone whose sole purpose is to concern troll rather than addressing the gun problem this country clearly has. I have no interest in enabling that.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Here's the kicker - states, counties and cities can all take action on alcohol, should they so choose. There's nothing guaranteeing your right to consume alcohol in the 21st Amendment, it merely repeals the 18th Amendment, and, by default, all the crime and murders that came with the 18th.

This is a salient point in response to Sic's argument, however there is nothing stopping Minnesota (for example) from banning "assault" weapons and large capacity magazines, requiring 100% back ground checks, all sales through a licensed dealer, restricting concealed and open carry in several ways, etc. as California does. The Supreme Court has said as much. But it seems Minnesota hasn't yet been able to convince it's population these are good enough ideas to enact. Why is the only way forward through Federal power? If 35 states were to enact these types of laws, changing federal law or even the constitution would be a forgone conclusion, wouldn't it?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

Guns are an issue that need be addressed.

But when total societal impacts, and deaths, are the claimed concern of this thread, there's an 800 pound gorilla in the room ... and no thread for it.