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0 Days Since Last Mass Killing: Maybe It's the Person, Not the Gun...

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walrus said:
Grenade launcher is legal, the grenades are not

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Not like you couldn't create one. Heck, you could probably do it with the stuff in the gift shop of the secure section of the airport.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Not as fun as a grenade launcher.
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You think too small.

One of us has a degree from the (now reorganized) nuclear engineering / engineering physics department at RPI.

Go big or go home.
 
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Sounds like Canada has an active shooter event.
 
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Drew S. said:
Agreed. The shooter should face some sort of invasion of privacy charge too. Why the guy was parked there was none of his business.
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Nope. Straight acquittal. You can't use your gun in that situation you may as well throw the 2nd Amendment away.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Man in deadly ‘stand your ground’ shooting charged with manslaughter.
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Some might celebrate if the charges stick - thinking that SYG works. But that will lull citizens into a false sense of security...as others, try to make the defense work. In fact, this is very likely a case where one guy killed another just because he thought he could get off on SYG. The net result are people die regardless.
 
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Here is my thought on this. I don't mind that prosecutors have charged this guy, even though I think that under Florida law it might be a close call as to whether he has committed a crime, and even though I agree there is a pretty good chance of acquittal.

I want prosecutors to bring some tough cases, even if they lose them.

There has been a series of articles in the Minneapolis newspaper the last few weeks about the general lack of prosecution of rape cases in Minnesota. A myriad of excuses are given by the police and prosecutors, including delay in reporting, an intoxicated victim, etc...

In my opinion the only cause of insufficient prosecution of rape cases is the refusal of prosecutors to take on the tough case, and possibly lose it. They all want to put in their campaign literature brags of a "95% conviction rate" or some such nonsense. When I hear a prosecuting attorney brag that his or her office wins 95% of their cases, the only thing that crosses my mind is that they must be pathetic prosecutors. Take a shot. If the jury acquits, so be it. As a prosecutor you've done your job.

These cases should be prosecuted. Let juries decide. Even if half the rapists or stand your ground defendants get acquitted, lots and lots of other bad people will be convicted or plead guilty, and that will help.
 
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SJHovey said:
Here is my thought on this. I don't mind that prosecutors have charged this guy, even though I think that under Florida law it might be a close call as to whether he has committed a crime, and even though I agree there is a pretty good chance of acquittal.

I want prosecutors to bring some tough cases, even if they lose them.

There has been a series of articles in the Minneapolis newspaper the last few weeks about the general lack of prosecution of rape cases in Minnesota. A myriad of excuses are given by the police and prosecutors, including delay in reporting, an intoxicated victim, etc...

In my opinion the only cause of insufficient prosecution of rape cases is the refusal of prosecutors to take on the tough case, and possibly lose it. They all want to put in their campaign literature brags of a "95% conviction rate" or some such nonsense. When I hear a prosecuting attorney brag that his or her office wins 95% of their cases, the only thing that crosses my mind is that they must be pathetic prosecutors. Take a shot. If the jury acquits, so be it. As a prosecutor you've done your job.

These cases should be prosecuted. Let juries decide. Even if half the rapists or stand your ground defendants get acquitted, lots and lots of other bad people will be convicted or plead guilty, and that will help.
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I agree for the most part, and the same dynamic affects civil litigation. Litigators are very competitive people and HATE to lose. Some of the best I've known are motivated to outwork every opponent not out a desire to win but out of a fear of losing.

In fairness, it's also true that every high profile case (and sexual assaults are high profile cases) takes time and resources, especially when they are difficult to win on the facts. Few governent agencies have an excess of staff and resources, and those factors affect the DA's decisions.

But despite all that, your point is a good one, Hovey.
 
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SJHovey said:
... the refusal of prosecutors to take on the tough case, and possibly lose it.
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I used to think this was TV show myth and lore. I've recently met a couple prosecutors. It's real. They're more worried about their win percent than goalies are about save percent.
 
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SJHovey said:
Here is my thought on this. I don't mind that prosecutors have charged this guy, even though I think that under Florida law it might be a close call as to whether he has committed a crime, and even though I agree there is a pretty good chance of acquittal.

I want prosecutors to bring some tough cases, even if they lose them.

There has been a series of articles in the Minneapolis newspaper the last few weeks about the general lack of prosecution of rape cases in Minnesota. A myriad of excuses are given by the police and prosecutors, including delay in reporting, an intoxicated victim, etc...

In my opinion the only cause of insufficient prosecution of rape cases is the refusal of prosecutors to take on the tough case, and possibly lose it. They all want to put in their campaign literature brags of a "95% conviction rate" or some such nonsense. When I hear a prosecuting attorney brag that his or her office wins 95% of their cases, the only thing that crosses my mind is that they must be pathetic prosecutors. Take a shot. If the jury acquits, so be it. As a prosecutor you've done your job.

These cases should be prosecuted. Let juries decide. Even if half the rapists or stand your ground defendants get acquitted, lots and lots of other bad people will be convicted or plead guilty, and that will help.
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Sure. That's why you have a judicial system.

The bigger point remains that its a terrible law and will result in baited deaths - and statistics have indicated that could well be baited deaths coming from racists. Based on the gunman's history of frequenting that locale approaching blacks, that case appears to have almost and still may result in premeditated murder that's judged 'justifiable'.
 
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Isn't the point of going to trial from the perspective of a prosecutor to prove guilt when there's sufficient evidence?
 
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Slap Shot said:
Isn't the point of going to trial from the perspective of a prosecutor to prove guilt when there's sufficient evidence?
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Sufficient to whose standard? The prosecutor? The judge? The jury?

Prosecutors seem to want all slam-dunks.
 
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Isn't the point of going to trial from the perspective of a prosecutor to prove guilt when there's sufficient evidence?
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I guess the point I tried to make is that for many prosecutors “sufficient evidence” equals an amount where there is almost no chance of losing. In the classic “he said, she said “ case, why not give the jury a chance to believe her.
 
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