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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?

TheGrouchyCat said:
I'm not offended. Tired of your threadbare cliches and overreliance on prepubescent humor, but not offended.

I know you're a pithy legend in your own mind, but to the rest of us, you're a banal bore whose attempts to "offend" have failed in spectacular fashion.
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You're entitled to your opinion newbie but I doubt very much you speak "for the rest of us" as you so boldly claim. Is it that you take yourself a bit too seriously? Or are you just a wannabe?
 
e.cat said:
You're entitled to your opinion newbie but I doubt very much you speak "for the rest of us" as you so boldly claim. Is it that you take yourself a bit too seriously? Or are you just a wannabe?
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Hardly a newbie considering Ive been posting since here1997.

I'd love to have a face to face discussion with you tomorrow night at the game. Do you have the courage to say these things to my face?

Like most cowards, you'd never show up. In fact, when was the last time you attended a game in person?
 
Now you're
TheGrouchyCat said:
Hardly a newbie considering Ive been posting since here1997.

I'd love to have a face to face discussion with you tomorrow night at the game. Do you have the courage to say these things to my face?

Like most cowards, you'd never show up. In fact, when was the last time you attended a game in person?
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Now you're off the rails. Guess I really did hit a nerve. Take a deep breathe and count to ten. If that doesn't work go for a long walk on the beach. If all else fails seek professional help.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Old friend Warren Foegele is on the move again, traded by LA to Ottawa for a 2nd round pick. After a career year with the Kings last season, including an eye popping +36 on his plus/minus, with 24 goals and 22 assists, he's tailed off badly this season with 7 goals, 2 assists and a negative plus/minus to boot.
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In my mind, one of the biggest “what ifs” near the end of the Umile era. I was sad to see him go when he did, and I never understood why he didn’t get more playing time… albeit I felt Umile was a bit overly loyal to some of his upperclassmen, coming at the cost of some younger guys getting some quality playing time.

One has to wonder if he would have reached the NRN if Foegele had stayed another year or two, and perhaps led to another trip or two to the garden before his retirement.
 
TheGrouchyCat said:
Easier said than done when UNH looks a like a tribe of pygmies playing against a platoon of 6'6" oak trees day in and day out.
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For years I always thought UNH more took advantage of the undersized guys, but who had blazing speed and were greater skaters. That’s part of how they were able to compete with the bigger/draft pick guys on other top teams. Don’t get me wrong, there have been some bigger guys who have come through Durham in their time (Harry Quast at 6’4” is a more recent one who come to mind, also Eric Knodel at 6’6”).

Now, I feel we still don’t have size, and we also don’t have the speedy skaters we used to have (a gross generalization, but I think it holds mostly true).

It adds up to a product that struggles to compete against the 6’6” oak trees found across HE teams…
 
FlagUp17 said:
For years I always thought UNH more took advantage of the undersized guys, but who had blazing speed and were greater skaters. That’s part of how they were able to compete with the bigger/draft pick guys on other top teams. Don’t get me wrong, there have been some bigger guys who have come through Durham in their time (Harry Quast at 6’4” is a more recent one who come to mind, also Eric Knodel at 6’6”).

Now, I feel we still don’t have size, and we also don’t have the speedy skaters we used to have (a gross generalization, but I think it holds mostly true).

It adds up to a product that struggles to compete against the 6’6” oak trees found across HE teams…
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Exactly...guys in my 'era' like Goumas who could also be a playmaker...sorely needed. A match up Id love to see is PC/Umass/Uconn...that / any of those combos would be most entertaining to see in the tournament coming up.
 
FlagUp17 said:
In my mind, one of the biggest “what ifs” near the end of the Umile era. I was sad to see him go when he did, and I never understood why he didn’t get more playing time… albeit I felt Umile was a bit overly loyal to some of his upperclassmen, coming at the cost of some younger guys getting some quality playing time.

One has to wonder if he would have reached the NRN if Foegele had stayed another year or two, and perhaps led to another trip or two to the garden before his retirement.
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...add TvR..Pesce...Crookshank...to that list oh yeah and Poturalski who all left early (as expected). We have yet to come close to filling those gaps have we? Maybe close. I noted Cy is at 90 points...thats a decent career he should be proud of.
 
HockeyRef said:
Exactly...guys in my 'era' like Goumas who could also be a playmaker...sorely needed. A match up Id love to see is PC/Umass/Uconn...that / any of those combos would be most entertaining to see in the tournament coming up.
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Exactly Ref they need playmakers.But yet they just let a guy go [Carcone] who will have about 80 asst in 2 USHL seasons
 
TheGrouchyCat said:
Easier said than done when UNH looks a like a tribe of pygmies playing against a platoon of 6'6" oak trees day in and day out.
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I think you are missing system mentality, for sizes, will and ability.

UNH tends to lack the mentality to "manufacture goals" and that goes back through Umile to Holt. UNH has always played a game that looks for pretty goals. When you have Mowers, Nolan, Krog and Bekar on one team and just those 4 players are scoring 241 points (or Clark, Hislop and Cox... or Krog, Haydar and Souza... or Gare, Hemingway, Saviano and Collins... or Lyons, Potter, Barton and Lacombe) you can have pretty goals. Note this entire team is 164 points season to date. That 97-98 team scored 439 points and the 98-99 team that was more structured and defensive scored 467 points - lots of opportunity for pretty goals.

Today UNH need to grind out and manufacture goals: tips, traffic and rebounds. The problem is they don't play a system to manufacture ugly goals. There are a number of players with the will, and the fight to get a good position in the hard areas, the system doesn't seem to know how to use it, passing the guy with the screen out of position and going for a half wing board shot to pick a high corner (Krog was crazy good at this). One this team most of those pick a high corner shots are high/wide, gloved or blockered into the net above, low rebound opportunities.
 
FlagUp17 said:
In my mind, one of the biggest “what ifs” near the end of the Umile era. I was sad to see him go when he did, and I never understood why he didn’t get more playing time… albeit I felt Umile was a bit overly loyal to some of his upperclassmen, coming at the cost of some younger guys getting some quality playing time.

One has to wonder if he would have reached the NRN if Foegele had stayed another year or two, and perhaps led to another trip or two to the garden before his retirement.
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Coach Umile definitely had an approach to his long-term team building ... one that mostly served him well, and created a lot of loyalty and consistency in the program. But no one bats 1.000, net even the best in the business. Foegele had a decent but not great frosh season IIRC, and probably was weighing his options for his soph season during the summer, but decided to see where he figured in Umile's and went back to find out. Turned out, that was the season of the senior scrubs checking line (including the captain who got chosen as "C" due to his injury backstory) that were given top six minutes early in the season.

Foegele saw these scrubs getting the ice time he had to know he should be getting, decided he wasn't gonna play along, and the rest is history. In retrospect, it seems unlikely he would have been a four year guy regardless, but it was a distant early warning that Umile's old system probably needed to be adjusted, and when he stubbornly stuck to it a little too long, his results nosedived, and here we are, still stuck in the aftermath of the slide than started in late stage Umile Era.
 
Robert Balin said:
Exactly Ref they need playmakers.But yet they just let a guy go [Carcone] who will have about 80 asst in 2 USHL seasons
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For the style of play the system is set up for they need goal scorers, finishers. They really don't have anybody like a John Mustard at Providence that can nail that shot high glove side just under the bar.
 
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