Windchill22
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I was referring to anything happening in the WCHA eluding to today's matchup against Bemidji. Don't get complacent.
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WCHA 2025-26
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I do appreciate your reply, and all your hockey posts for the 17. I’m with you on a lot of what you say, above.
i guess that is the thing, what do we actually have control over? Who knows? Sometimes I get out my immigration papers and rummage through it. I was looking at it today and in the mix of papers was something that listed rights and responsibilities of citizens and it definitely gives a person something to think about. The first responsibility listed was support and defend the constitution. I guess that is to each individual to discern what personal action, public or private, to take throughout their life and in times of crisis.
I know you are always very clear you are mostly a wisc women’s hockey guy, more so than a team USA or general women’s hockey fan. my “likes hockey” creds are pretty obvious but I also really like the history of women’s sports and how it is both a visual of a successful social justice effort - expanding women’s access to sport, and an ongoing platform to further social justice efforts near and dear to women. And I know it is exhausting to use it as a platform and there is always the question of what exactly is the right action to create change, if that’s what someone wants to do. it’s not always the most extreme passionate voices that change hearts and minds.
It meant a lot to me to see the 2017 uswnt fight for maternity leave rights. I absolutely believe that trickles down. It was amazing to see the uswnt use their power for good like that. And how incredible to see women’s rights icon BJK take on the project of professionalizing women’s hockey.
Women’s hockey was never on the same level as women’s soccer or basketball but it’s closer than it’s ever been, in part because the women in those more popular sports lifted up women’s hockey and continue to do so . Just this week I saw Abby Wambach wearing a pw shirt on her podcast. Sarah Spain has had Julie Chu, Oellette and Ruggiero on her pod in the last week. That doesn’t happen in men’s sports. The other sports media laughs at hockey. Ruggeiro shared how hockey gave her everything- she was the first in her family to go to college.
You think about what the Olympics has given women’s hockey. I read once that Cammi Granato went to watch her brother(?) in the 1988 Olympics and said she wanted it too and wrote letters to relevant agencies after. What a gift to future generations.
I also read something that suggested Heise makes about $400k a year. Good for her! Even 9 years ago it would have been very different.
It’s interesting now with all this progress for women’s hockey, here we are at a time that was inevitable: suffering is happening in one specific hockey community. Women’s athletes from other sports are doing what they always do. Speaking up and taking action. Bueckers just donated $50k to her hometown for example. No one should be forced to comment, and I am not saying what any hockey player should do, but I think people are watching to see what if anything the women’s hockey players do publicly. Does the progress of the sport come with responsibility tho? It’s a fair q.
So far Chayla Edwards who is not in the pw or on team USA is the only hockey player I’ve seen even acknowledge anything is happening. Non Americans who go to school in the US or work here frankly can’t say anything.
If nothing else a person can observe the silence of the women’s hockey players and observe how it differs from the behavior of their peers in other sports and feels at odds with the knowledge that we too, were once a social justice cause. Do I ultimately really care who says or does what? No, the real hope is just for things to be better in Minneapolis, and as always, a country full of people that don’t hate each other. That is the real important thing, a nation being hopefully, the best version of itself (which we are tragically failing at); not keeping score over who is doing what.
A hockey cleanser for you….. the American Olympians just lit up Canadian Olympian Kayle Osborne pretty good in a frost sirens game. Heise, Coyne, Zumwinkle (I think) and Pannek all with goals. Get em out now ladies. None of that in Italy.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Lindsay, your perspective is very unique being immigration oriented and pushing for women's equalization to men and I really appreciate your viewpoint. My wife is not interested in the fight for gender equality, I have to get that here. Your viewpoint has encouraged us to stand up for our special needs daughter's right in our world to be viewed as equal to anyone. Thank you.
Wow , that is very nice of you to say. Your advocacy for her and enjoyment of your time with your daughter always shines through. I think it is fantastic she is a women’s sports fan and lucky to have you supporting her every step of the way.
Still Eeyore
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Both Kelly Pannek and Taylor Heise have spoken about it.
Minnesota Frost Players Praise Minnesotans "Standing Up For What's Right" Against ICE
Kelly Pannek and Taylor Heise, members of the PWHL's Minnesota Frost and USA's Olympic women's hockey team spoke out in support of Minnesota residents who are "standing up for what's right amongst the unnecessary and just horrifying things that are happening" at the hands of ICE.
thehockeynews.com
The Frost held a pregame moment of silence for Alex Pretti:
Athletes, Teams Speak Out After Fatal ICE Shooting in Minnesota
A still-growing collection of athletes and teams was among voices decrying the killing of a Minnesota man at the hands of federal immigration officials.
frontofficesports.com
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Now we hit the crazy time of the schedule........
WCHA point losses for the Olympics. Points left might be a better gauge, that is not so easily found. I may do goals left later today.
UW 164 plus starting goalie
UM 144
TWSNBN 141
UMD 29
St. Cloud 28 plus starting quality goalie.
Standings
UW 53 pts
THSNBN 49
UM 48
UMD 32
MSU 18
St T 17
St. Cloud 17
BSU 6
So the league title is completely up for grabs. UMD is locked into 4th. It looks like St. Cloud is destined to finish 7th (the goalie that is gone is statistically superior to the one she is splitting time with), though 5th is within reach.
This week it's right into the fire.....
UW at UM. - I have no idea Watts going to happen here. UM has the edge being at home and UW's starting goalie has played in a sum total of like 6 periods in her whole short career.
St. Cl at St. T. - St T can bury St. Cloud right away in the battle for 5th.
UMD at TWSNBN - I believe the home team is in big trouble.
MSU at BSU. MSU needs the sweep bad in the battle for 5th.
WCHA point losses for the Olympics. Points left might be a better gauge, that is not so easily found. I may do goals left later today.
UW 164 plus starting goalie
UM 144
TWSNBN 141
UMD 29
St. Cloud 28 plus starting quality goalie.
Standings
UW 53 pts
THSNBN 49
UM 48
UMD 32
MSU 18
St T 17
St. Cloud 17
BSU 6
So the league title is completely up for grabs. UMD is locked into 4th. It looks like St. Cloud is destined to finish 7th (the goalie that is gone is statistically superior to the one she is splitting time with), though 5th is within reach.
This week it's right into the fire.....
UW at UM. - I have no idea Watts going to happen here. UM has the edge being at home and UW's starting goalie has played in a sum total of like 6 periods in her whole short career.
St. Cl at St. T. - St T can bury St. Cloud right away in the battle for 5th.
UMD at TWSNBN - I believe the home team is in big trouble.
MSU at BSU. MSU needs the sweep bad in the battle for 5th.
robertearle
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Points and goals NOT going to the Olympics:
UW - 234 points, 92 goals (224 points but still 92 goals if you also subtract injured Picard)
UM - 250 points, 79 goals
OSU - 154 points, 62 goals. (143 points and 58 goals if you also subtract injured Swiderski)
UMD - 92 points, 49 goals
As a percent of all goals:
UW losing 37.5%, keeping 62.5%
UM losing 46%, keeping 54%
OSU losing 49%, keeping 51%
UMD losing 27%, keeping 73%
(Corrections always welcome.)
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eastcoastgopher
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Sarah Paul's been injured most of the season so that takes 8 points and 3 goals away from Minnesota.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
So we are kinda splitting hairs on of the top 3 who is in a worst spot with scoring, but UW has an advantage.
Of the 3, UW is in the worst spot goaltending-wise until proven otherwise. Advantage UM & TWSNBN
Roster sizes: Advantage UM
UW 10 F 6 D
TWSNBN 8F 6D
UM 11 F 6D
Schedules: Advantage UW
UW: at UM. TWSNBN, at Kato, St. Cloud
THSNBN: UMD, at UW, UM. at BSU
UM: UW, h/f Tommies, at TWHNBN, UMD
Corrections always welcome.
Of the 3, UW is in the worst spot goaltending-wise until proven otherwise. Advantage UM & TWSNBN
Roster sizes: Advantage UM
UW 10 F 6 D
TWSNBN 8F 6D
UM 11 F 6D
Schedules: Advantage UW
UW: at UM. TWSNBN, at Kato, St. Cloud
THSNBN: UMD, at UW, UM. at BSU
UM: UW, h/f Tommies, at TWHNBN, UMD
Corrections always welcome.
robertearle
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Ohio State's line chart for this past weekend listed six defenders: Peschel, Roth, Disher, Jungaker, McCoshen and Wicks. With both Swiderski and Raunio showing as "scratches"; that is, injured or ill, etc.
Jungaker goes away to the Olympics. If Raunio is able, I assume she joins her Olympic team; either way, almost certainly unavailable for WCHA play. And then Swiderski, who has been 'out' since playing vs Penn State on Jan 3rd.
So, unless Swiderski becomes available, they will have only five D players available (which also means nobody available to bump up and fill out a third O-line.) They have a problem.
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It would reqire going really deep but I'm not sure the numbers of what's left or what's gone really reflect much of what is left. If an Olympian's goal is removed, shouldn't the assists from that goal also be removed if from a non Olympian? Likewise, if an Olympian's assists are removed, then there would be no goal if from a non Olympian.
Am I crazy? Don't answer that!
Am I crazy? Don't answer that!
Windchill22
Active member
Technically probably - but you could also make the argument that some (not all?) of those assist would have fed another teammate? So maybe you say 60% would have stayed assists.... but yes - getting too deep and now making assuptions that benefit no one!!
robertearle
Well-known member
But it's also "ice time" used and not used by Olympians.
Say you have a .300 hitter on your baseball team who gets injured. Yes, you lose a .300 bat from your lineup, but you replace it with maybe a .250 hitting bat. You don't lose all ".300", you only lose the differential.
2nd lines become 1st lines, and get 1st line ice time; 3rds become 2nds, 4ths become 3rds. All with an increase of ice time, and the opportunity (MJ's favorite word) to get goals and assists.
The interesting thing will be who manages to take advantage of the increased ice time, whose 4th line --> 3rd line can outplay the other's 4th line --> 3rd line, etc etc.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
I think that's the key point. We take the few metrics that we have available to us and try to conclude something based upon them. However, once you pluck 4 or 5 skaters off of a roster, do the shifts continue to look the same as they did before? How are those minutes being replaced -- more minutes by those who were playing previously, or adding people to the lineup who wouldn't have played otherwise?
My guess is that Wisconsin is in better shape because the Badgers have more depth in terms of people who are familiar with playing at this level. Or maybe I only think that because more posters talk about UW, so I assume that they are deeper than tOSU. For Minnesota, I know that the 4th line at least plays, but it isn't like 2019 when Taylor Heise was often on the 4th line, and by the end of their careers, that entire 4th line would be the 1st line.
For D, I'm guessing that coaches will try to shrink their rotation as much as they can, particularly if doing otherwise would mean relying on anyone who hasn't even dressed to this point. Coaches like to be able to play 6 D, but a lot of that is about knowing that trying to play 4 for the entire season means that they get worn down, and the team is vulnerable should injuries or penalties arise.
Goaltending? I'm sure that those on D-I rosters can play. However, if they were already as good as the starter, then they likely would have started more themselves.
It's not just ice time but situational time also. The Olympians are the ones who are mainly on the ice for power plays as well. I agree with all of this. I was more making a point that a lot of these kind of stats really don't mean much if anything.
So I will throw out another meaningless stat that goes along with what you stated. Was pretty easy to calculate from box scores. The Badgers have scored 147 goals in 26 games. 72% (106) have involved Olympians, 28% (41) have not.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
The point of the statistical diving was to see if anyone had a huge advantage that could swing the race for the title. Turns out not really, the schedules are rather fair and the losses are about equal. I do think THSNBN are in the toughest spot, but never count out the Muzzinatorettes. Maybe they will crack out all white uni's and use stealth to reduce the impact of the losses.