UNH 2025 Offseason: Where in the World is MS7?

[acs64]

For planning, what do you get someone for their 10 year anniversary?

Mike Anthony @ManthonyHearst

How about a golden turtleneck to compliment the golden whistle ? What better way to show appreciation for a job well done? One would think the admin would see it as the proverbial finger to the rabid and vocals fans, no?

 

[HockeyRef]

For planning purposes, I see we are at UML 11/7 and at home 11/8. Guess I could look up the sched thread to see what else UNH is up to?

 

[Darius]

...a certain "Salvatore Lupoli, founder of the Sal's Pizza chain, and his wife Kathleen, together gave (Gov. Kelly) Ayotte $30,000" towards her 2028 re-election campaign.

So much for the fallacy that Lupoli isn't deeply invested in New Hampshire.

...or his own financial future lol

 

[Chuck Murray]

...or his own financial future lol

I thought that went without saying, Darius ... but absolutely yes, it's the way of the world. If there's a knock-on benefit for NH/USNH, even better.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Oh Buford, your life long quest to live off the wealth of others without ever reaching into your own pocket is astonishing and, I suppose, what you meant when you referred to it as “our way of life”. Outside Effingwoods, it’s called being a deadbeat and free loader. It’s actually disturbing that you are apparently stalking on Faro and Lupoli, but perhaps dealing with wackos is part of being wealthy.

Interestingly, Effingwoods is in the NH Top 5 wealthiest towns per Forbes. All USCHO UNH posters, plus Joe & Sal, are welcome here. You ... not so much ...

In any event, UMass is prepared to spend $400k to $600k in nil on hockey players for the ‘26-‘27 season. First rate facilities are now standard. The NIL era is upon us. BC, UMass, UConn, Providence, BU, Maine almost certainly have their guns loaded. Any ideas? Do you think Faro and Lupoli will give UNH a big payroll?

You're the guy who claims to have all the answers, so why don't you share your prediction with the rest of us? You've been wrong on everything else so far, might as well try to continue your "perfect" record.

Given the news of the last few days, I feel a lot better that said financial realities are sinking in at UNH. Whether it's JF or SL or TDL or JMS, or one of a cast of hundreds in and around the Seacoast who end up funding it, I really don't care. As long as the really big performance issue (MS7) and his newfound recruiting strategy pays off AND he and his staff can do a job worthy of retaining the new talent ... OR in a year or two from now, he fails (again), and our AD f/k/a SB gets religion and moves him out for the eventual long-term solution(s). Then we get to have an interesting discussion on who would be on the hiring committee?!?

 

[Potluck]

Goodness, Buford, you're hillbilly logic (i.e. let someone from Massachusetts save us) is rather unfortunate. The following is instructive, although well over your head. Others here will find it interesting. It helps explain New Hampshire's coming economic tsunami:

Opinion: New Hampshire’s budget crisis is self-inflicted

Todd Selig is the longtime Town Manager in Durham, where he lives with his family.

www.concordmonitor.com

 

[Chuck Murray]

Since it's offseason, I have been rummaging around the hockey world, and have been doing some catching up on the non-UNH topic of Derek Sanderson, who rose to prominence as the B's 3rd line center and penalty-killer extraordinaire back in the days of the Big Bad Bruins. Sharing today a video and literary one-two punch, starting with an extended late 1973 Sports Illustrated piece by Pat Jordan on "The Turk" in the aftermath of his short-lived WHA escapades, and then his prodigal son return to Boston, featuring here the point in his return where he had been demoted to the AHL Boston Braves, and Jordan joining him for the long bus ride from Boston to New Haven. Shades of Slapshot before Slapshot. Won't spoil the details, but I will crank out one obscure trivia question later on ...

THE VITA'S STILL DOLCE, BUT...

Alone, Derek Sanderson plays basketball on the floor of Boston Garden. Around him the gray deserted seats rise up to the maze of metal rafters. Sanderson

vault.si.com

Sandy's trip to the minors was a short but eventful stint, but even when he got back up to the big club, his inner demons were still in charge, as evidenced by a curious series of events in the following game, not too long after his recall and towards the end of his final season in Boston as a player, when he got thrown out of the game with a match penalty for assaulting a referee ... and this was just after the ref had awarded a PP to the B's for a blatant trip on a Chicago player. Even the reliable homer duo of Cusick and Pierson were aghast and perplexed by the incident. FWIW the game caps off with Orr getting thrown out for losing his sh!t on the refs for a late non-call in what was a frustrating B's loss. It's a great little time capsule into how the NHL game used to be played, with constant stoppages for offsides (two liners included - no "stretch passes" then) and pucks briefly tied up along the boards. And even in a loss, you get a clear sense on how Orr could affect the outcome of a game like no one else, before or since. It was his next-to-last full season in Boston, and one that would see a mediocre B's team take the Flyers to Game Six of the SCF in Orr's last Cup run. 122 points and a +84 on two bad knees, hard to explain, but that was Orr's greatness.

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Going back to Sanderson ... I'm not sure if he ever got suspended for the Chicago match penalty/referee attack, but the end was near regardless, as later that season in Oakland CA (home of the infamous California Golden Seals a/k/a Slobs) The Turk got into it with rookie Terry O'Reilly after practice, missed a plane back to Boston, and was given the rest of the season (and his B's career) off, being traded to the Rangers for the next season. This article captures some of the colorful comments in the aftermath (plus some gratuitous early Dead Wings coverage of front office bickering).

https://www.nytimes.com/1974/03/19/archives/bruins-at-ease-with-sanderson-hiding-about-pro-hockey-about-the.html

One legit question, followed by the WIS Trivia Question ...

* Can anyone determine if Sanderson was suspended for the 1/24/74 referee assault incident? If he was, I can't find it; and
* WIS Trivia - the SI article by Jordan mentions a certain Interstate 86 between Boston and New Haven. Where was it? (I had to look it up)

 

[Chuck Murray]

Goodness, Buford, you're hillbilly logic (i.e. let someone from Massachusetts save us) is rather unfortunate. The following is instructive, although well over your head. Others here will find it interesting. It helps explain New Hampshire's coming economic tsunami:

Opinion: New Hampshire’s budget crisis is self-inflicted

Todd Selig is the longtime Town Manager in Durham, where he lives with his family.

www.concordmonitor.com

More evidence that you're "from away" ... an opinion piece from the liberal town manager of a college town, placed in a liberal organ in a government town.

It's not any more "instructive" than it is "objective". But keep trying, potty. Your naiveté is charming, in an unintentional yet super hilarious way.

 

[Potluck]

More evidence that you're "from away" ... an opinion piece from the liberal town manager of a college town, placed in a liberal organ in a government town.

It's not any more "instructive" than it is "objective". But keep trying, potty. Your naiveté is charming, in an unintentional yet super hilarious way.

All you need to write, Buford, is, “Correct, I can’t understand the essay.” Instead you choose not to read it and dismiss the authors well reasoned and supported opinion because he’s well educated:

 

[Chuck Murray]

All you needed to write, Buford, is, “Correct, o can’t understand the essay.” Instead you choose not to read it and call dismiss the authors well reasoned and supported opinion because he’s well educated:

... or maybe I read it, have read many similar things before, and I (and many other reasoned, well-educated folks) simply disagree?

 

[Snively65]

For planning purposes, I see we are at UML 11/7 and at home 11/8. Guess I could look up the sched thread to see what else UNH is up to?

The only UNH game that matters is at the Bentley Arena on November 29th.

 

[2013hockeyfan]

... or maybe I read it, have read many similar things before, and I (and many other reasoned, well-educated folks) simply disagree?

What are your thoughts on this item specifically? Feels like residents were sold a bill of goods on behalf of the business community.

We were told that cutting the Business Profits Tax (BPT) and Business Enterprise Tax (BET) would attract businesses, grow the economy and create jobs. What we got instead is an underfunded university system, strained schools and counties, struggling low- and moderate-income residents and towns forced to absorb the cost of the state’s growing disinvestment.

Since 2015, reductions in BPT and BET rates have cost New Hampshire between $795 million and $1.17 billion in forgone revenue, according to the New Hampshire Fiscal Policy Institute. And yet, the return on that investment has been negligible.

Let’s look at the facts. From 2015 to 2023, New Hampshire business tax revenues grew 124%. In that same period, Maine and Vermont — states that kept corporate tax rates stable — saw 167% and 166% growth respectively. Nationally, the increase was 192%, and among New England states excluding New Hampshire the increase was 172%.

There has been a minimal economic impact. Each dollar spent on business tax cuts generates only 34 cents in economic activity. In contrast, food assistance yields $1.61, and federal aid to states and municipalities brings in $1.34 per dollar.

 

[Potluck]

What are your thoughts on this item specifically? Feels like residents were sold a bill of goods on behalf of the business community.

Thirty years ago the GOP called this trickle down economics. When's the last time you heard that phrase?

 

[Chuck Murray]

What are your thoughts on this item specifically? Feels like residents were sold a bill of goods on behalf of the business community.

As usual, it comes down to, who are you getting your information from? NHFPI sounds all bipartisan, but their BoD tells a different story altogether.

Board of Directors - New Hampshire Fiscal Policy Institute

Board of Directors and Officers as of January 2025 Jonathan Routhier – Chair Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, The Mental Health Center of Greater Manchester Dunbarton, NH Jo Porter –...

nhfpi.org

A good rule of thumb, anyone trying to favorably compare the VT and ME economies to NH's economy should immediately be suspect.

 

[Snively65]

I do not think that Turk got suspended for fighting but rather for “behavior detrimental to the team.”

My recollection was that I-86 was the stretch of interstate between the Mass Pike in Sturbridge and Hartford, which I drove to/from relatives south of Hartford at Thanksgiving every year, before it was re-numbered I-84 as an eastward extension of the Danbury to Hartford interstate.

 

[Darius]

I do not think that Turk got suspended for fighting but rather for “behavior detrimental to the team.”

My recollection was that I-86 was the stretch of interstate between the Mass Pike in Sturbridge and Hartford, which I drove to/from relatives south of Hartford at Thanksgiving every year, before it was re-numbered I-84 as an eastward extension of the Danbury to Hartford interstate.

https://www.aaroads.com/interstate-guide/i-086-east/

"Interstate 86 was originally established by the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) on June 23, 1969 along a freeway corridor connecting Hartford, Connecticut with Sturbridge, Massachusetts. This was previously designated as I-84. Beginning at I-91 near Wethersfield, I-86 overlaid a portion of the freeway along Connecticut Route 3 (former I-491) to the freeway on Route 2 at East Hartford, with an unconstructed section extending northeast to meet I-84 at Manchester. I-86 followed I-84’s course from this point northeast along Wilbur Cross Highway into Massachusetts, ending at the Massachusetts Turnpike (I-90) north of Sturbridge. With I-86 overtaking the former route of I-84 from Manchester, I-84 was redirected eastward from I-86 along a freeway to Bolton, and ultimately toward Providence, Rhode Island."

 

[2013hockeyfan]

As usual, it comes down to, who are you getting your information from? NHFPI sounds all bipartisan, but their BoD tells a different story altogether.

Board of Directors - New Hampshire Fiscal Policy Institute

Board of Directors and Officers as of January 2025 Jonathan Routhier – Chair Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, The Mental Health Center of Greater Manchester Dunbarton, NH Jo Porter –...

nhfpi.org

A good rule of thumb, anyone trying to favorably compare the VT and ME economies to NH's economy should immediately be suspect.

But is the data presented inaccurate? Whatever you make of the BoD of the organization, which seems like useless ad hominem, I grew up with the research director who I know to be above reproach and not guided by the partisan bias that skews your viewpoints. They do a lot of great research on NH economic topics.

 

[Chuck Murray]

But is the data presented inaccurate? Whatever you make of the BoD of the organization, which seems like useless ad hominem, I grew up with the research director who I know to be above reproach and not guided by the partisan bias that skews your viewpoints. They do a lot of great research on NH economic topics.

Quick and easy example - in looking at the comparison previously posted, the figures were represented as percentages of increases - not gross or net revenue figures. When you measure by percentages, then substandard starting baselines can reflect higher comparative percentages of increase, but still not represent higher actual tax revenue increases, depending on the respective starting points.

NHFPI's bottom line argument is that tax rollbacks should not have been rolled back, so it's a pro-tax pitch. That's not partisan, that's a fact.

 

[MilkUniversity]

Thanks for the details on ice quality comparisons between the arenas in Waterville Valley and at Plymouth State. I should attend more PSU games, given that Hanaway Rink is 15 minutes from my house in contrast to Towse Rink at the Whittemore Center in the Key Auto Group Complex in Durham, which is pushing a 2-hour drive each way. Fun Fact: Dick and Peg Hanaway reached all 50 state high points when in their 50’s, including Denali in Alaska, at 20,310 ft the highest point in North America. Maybe we should expand this thread to include the entire USNH (University System of New Hampshire), which would resolve the UNH vs UHN conundrum?

Definitely make the trip at least once if you’re that close! PSU has some quality hockey for it’s size and the team should have a fun year with the new conference. And that’s insane about the Hanaway family! I’ll have to ask around if there are other stories about them. I know they are also the namesake of the main performing arts theatre on campus, so their impact is still very visible today.

And know you all have this as UNH-land but would never be opposed to talking about hockey in USNH as a whole. I’m the lone Plymouth fan in the D3 threads so will definitely have to come over to D1 world some more.

 

[2013hockeyfan]

Quick and easy example - in looking at the comparison previously posted, the figures were represented as percentages of increases - not gross or net revenue figures. When you measure by percentages, then substandard starting baselines can reflect higher comparative percentages of increase, but still not represent higher actual tax revenue increases, depending on the respective starting points.

NHFPI's bottom line argument is that tax rollbacks should not have been rolled back, so it's a pro-tax pitch. That's not partisan, that's a fact.

I'm not sure we can discern NFPI's argument in this case, unless you're referring to their research you've reviewed. Todd Selig in the op-ed certainly referenced their data to make such a point.

The bottom line of Sununu and company's argument was that the roll-back would increase growth which these numbers suggest they didn't, at least compared to best suited peers.