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Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

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Jeb2020 said:
Lmao “facts.” The only discussion that goes on here is a bunch of arm flapping and political drivel.

Lets start here for facts. 50 States death rates compared to 2019 and 2018.

I see about 4-5 with abnormalities and they are all in the North East.

What do you see?

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylamb8/s...69402900287489
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According to the CDC, the US is running at about 108% of the expected death rate for the year. If you scroll down in my link, you'll see it broken down by state. Only about a quarter of the states are running below the expected rate, and maybe another handful running right at the expected rate, but most are running above.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
 
First Time said:
Yep. Black and White. Death or perfect. God you're an idiot.
Also...on deaths...the Covid numbers are with a shutdown and social distancing while flu deaths from years ago are not. The fact they are close suggests that this virus IS WORSE than the flu.
But you don't care and you as usual deny science to preach at the feet of your orange master.
Pathetic.
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Lol another irrational rant with political drivel.

I said I am willing to discuss any measure. And you stomp your feet “black and white. Death or perfect.” That’s literally how a child behaves.

It’s amazing how providing some stats and context can elicit that type of emotion and response. It’s as if you want to keep this thing going as long as possible.

The lockdowns don’t eliminate a virus they can only punt it out to a future time. And even then there is plenty of research saying they are disastrous.
 
Jeb2020 said:
Lol another irrational rant with political drivel.

I said I am willing to discuss any measure. And you stomp your feet “black and white. Death or perfect.” That’s literally how a child behaves.

It’s amazing how providing some stats and context can elicit that type of emotion and response. It’s as if you want to keep this thing going as long as possible.

The lockdowns don’t eliminate a virus they can only punt it out to a future time. And even then there is plenty of research saying they are disastrous.
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That's how you post. Deaths are all that matter to you.
your stats don't prove anything but your agenda.
There is more to this virus than death.
And no one ever said lockdowns eliminate a virus so you can stop that crap right now.
The lockdowns were designed to push the virus down the road so hospitals didn't get overwhelmed...which is what is now happening in states that have reopened.
You're such a Trump humper and it's sad.
I await your next attack.
 
First Time said:
That's how you post. Deaths are all that matter to you.
your stats don't prove anything but your agenda.
There is more to this virus than death.
And no one ever said lockdowns eliminate a virus so you can stop that crap right now.
The lockdowns were designed to push the virus down the road so hospitals didn't get overwhelmed...which is what is now happening in states that have reopened.
You're such a Trump humper and it's sad.
I await your next attack.
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I’ve discussed cases, issues with cases being reported, contact tracing, double tests,. I’ve discussed “Covid probable” cases vs positive tests and lumping them all together.

I’ve brought up % of positives and issues around sites having issues with their data.

I’ve discussed the lack of context in reporting around all sorts of parameters not just death.

ive discussed the media coverage of this 24/7 wall to wall and how that plays a factor. And can skew perception.

Ive brought up questions around millions and millions of healthy people wearing masks and what consequences that could have especially if they have to be worn for a prolonged time.

but you are fired up right now and letting emotion drive and there for all I talk about is the death numbers. and by somehow trying to make that connection it invalidates the information I shared? Your reasoning is rock solid!
 
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SJHovey said:
According to the CDC, the US is running at about 108% of the expected death rate for the year. If you scroll down in my link, you'll see it broken down by state. Only about a quarter of the states are running below the expected rate, and maybe another handful running right at the expected rate, but most are running above.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Thanks for posting. So as a country we are at 108% above normal. And the northeast and New York is driving that their upticks have been pretty massive.

Do you know if this is weighted in anyway?

If not I would think we see that 108% come down because deaths are going down. And the epicenter of March/April in the East has concluded.
 
Jeb2020 said:
I’ve discussed cases, issues with cases being reported, contact tracing, double tests,. I’ve discussed “Covid probable” cases vs positive tests and lumping them all together.

I’ve brought up % of positives and issues around sites having issues with their data.

I’ve discussed the lack of context in reporting around all sorts of parameters not just death.

ive discussed the media coverage of this 24/7 wall to wall and how that plays a factor. And can skew perception.

Ive brought up questions around millions and millions of healthy people wearing masks and what consequences that could have especially if they have to be worn for a prolonged time.

but you are fired up right now and letting emotion drive and there for all I talk about is the death numbers. and by somehow trying to make that connection it invalidates the information I shared? Your reasoning is rock solid!
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My emotions are just fine.
but If this virus is more than just death...why you do constantly say that if you don't die...you'll be fine?
Then ignore evidence saying that is not the case.
​​​​​​I'm beginning bro think those that have you ignored may be right. But I won't do it. I'll fight morons till the end of time.
 
First Time said:
My emotions are just fine.
but If this virus is more than just death...why you do constantly say that if you don't die...you'll be fine?
Then ignore evidence saying that is not the case.
​​​​​​I'm beginning bro think those that have you ignored may be right. But I won't do it. I'll fight morons till the end of time.
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Statistically speaking it is very true. Most who come in contact with the virus will fight it off and it will never even become Covid19, that’s how the immune system works. The vast majority will have no issues with this virus just like the hundreds of others that can be in circulation at any time. For those who actually get it, they might not even know are have a little cold.

what you are talking about is a statistical anomaly across 330 million people. And if we are going to have policy it should be around the most vulnerable. Not a blanket type of solution for hundreds of millions of people that is inefficient and the consequences are well noted and could very well out weigh any perceived benefits.

Is there anything that you can point to that measures against other respiratory illnesses for some sort of base point?

Because measuring against “should never happen or zero” is just going to lead to disastrous policies and solutions. And that is where this polarized virus seems to have taken us.
 
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SJHovey said:
According to the CDC, the US is running at about 108% of the expected death rate for the year. If you scroll down in my link, you'll see it broken down by state. Only about a quarter of the states are running below the expected rate, and maybe another handful running right at the expected rate, but most are running above.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Given that the rate was 112%+ every week between 3/28 - 5/23 and as high as 142% - also knowing that more recent rates that are lower will increase over time we should expect that 108% to increase by EOY. That's even after considering a lot fewer people have died that otherwise would have in a fully open society.
 
Jeb2020 said:
Statistically speaking it is very true. Most who come in contact with the virus will fight it off and it will never even become Covid19, that’s how the immune system works. The vast majority will have no issues with this virus just like the hundreds of others that can be in circulation at any time. For those who actually get it, they might not even know are have a little cold.

what you are talking about is a statistical anomaly across 330 million people. And if we are going to have policy it should be around the most vulnerable. Not a blanket type of solution for hundreds of millions of people that is inefficient and the consequences are well noted and could very well out weigh any perceived benefits.

Is there anything that you can point to that measures against other respiratory illnesses for some sort of base point?

Because measuring against “should never happen or zero” is just going to lead to disastrous policies and solutions. And that is where this polarized virus seems to have taken us.
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The numbers in the article I posted are not anomalies when the percentages are over 10. It's not complete by any means but then again it can't be as not enough time has passed.
 
Jeb2020 said:
Thanks for posting. So as a country we are at 108% above normal. And the northeast and New York is driving that their upticks have been pretty massive.

Do you know if this is weighted in anyway?

If not I would think we see that 108% come down because deaths are going down. And the epicenter of March/April in the East has concluded.
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I've been following that link for awhile now, and actually the percentage has been going up. Maybe a month or more ago it was at 103-104%. I suspect this is because there are normally fewer anticipated deaths during the summer months.
 
Kepler said:
True, but you're not fighting it, you're feeding it.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing.
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Do not care. I won't ignore it. As I told Handy...scroll by it if you don't like it.
ignore does nothing.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Good luck finding enough officials. It was already becoming a problem before the pandemic.
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I'm actually in a small minority sitting out voluntarily since baseball got started around here... Northwest Indiana began playing around Father's Day and Illinois came back the last weekend in June. I'd say 9 of 10 guys have since gone back on a field (although a few have selected to call pitches from behind the mound instead of home plate for distancing). It's actually been quite eye opening when you see someone who is a non-Dumpy and you believed was intelligent get a confused puppy dog look at you when I say that I'm sitting out.

When it comes to Football, I think there won't be an issue finding people...
 
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