Covfefe-19 The 11th Part: Suck It Up And Die Grandpa I Need A Manicure!!

[alfablue]

So looking at Florida's data again (not sure why I keep doing that, it's like watching a train wreck in slow and very painful motion).... The death numbers from 7/7 have already been adjusted to over 50 (according to the second dashboard, it *was* 10). The positive trend in deaths is getting pretty apparent now. And they are down to less than 1000 ICU beds across the whole state. A week ago, it was 1300.

BTW, it's interesting that the secondary Florida page is not accurately tracking deaths. For instance, Florida adjusted the official number for the week of 6/29-5 is now 292, whereas the secondary dashboard has it at 143.

Other things to note- the positive rate of testing has gone up, too- at the beginning of April it was 4.3%, and last week it was 11.98% (their target was 10%). Seeing the extra positives blows out of the water the idea that it's just more testing. If it were just "more testing" - the rate would stay the same OR go down (because it's not that bad). So much for that.

And as for "how bad" this is- Florida officially also is reporting increases in ED visits. Odd that some report it as influenza- since that's not all that bad. But a lot in terms of COIVD symptoms. More people are getting so sick that they are going to the hospital on their own. Giving the average the benefit of the doubt- many are like me who just never go to the hospital unless it's REALLY serious- that tells me that this is harming a lot of people in a way that they need help. And this is very dangerous.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

You guys didn't already have both of Flaggy 2: Prepping for the Boogaloo's new accounts on ignore? Wow. ;-)

 

[Jeb2020]

Solid article on the CPR test.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...can-tell-us-about-errors-in-coronavirus-tests

He dug in and found that in previous outbreaks, such as SARS, scientists ran a second PCR test before confirming a case. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention started to do that as well during the earliest days of COVID-19. Labs capable of running their own tests were also told to send a sample to CDC for confirmation. But that system was quickly abandoned as the number of cases grew and the ability to test remained limited.

Most errors are caused by poor sample handling or other errors even before a sample gets to the lab, she says.

And PCR is so incredibly sensitive, contamination is a particular concern. Even the tiniest amount of stray material in a lab can spell trouble, Pritt says.

"That viral material could get into the environment and then contaminate your specimens around you and then cause false positives in those specimens."

And there's a lot at stake for getting these tests right.

People can be sent to isolation for weeks with a positive test result. Hospitals risk running short-staffed if too many workers test positive. People who are diagnosed with COVID-19 in a hospital may not be allowed to return to nursing homes or other senior living situations.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

Michigan now requiring masks at all indoor public spaces as well as crowded outdoor spaces. And requires businesses to refuse entry to those not wearing masks.

 

[Kepler]

Florida is conservative governance.

If white voters had more brains than a field mouse no righty would ever be elected again.

 

[Jeb2020]

Masks in the home? I mean if we are #inthistogether...

https://summit.news/2020/07/10/head...ans-should-wear-masks-inside-their-own-homes/

 

[Jeb2020]

“And I'm here with your regular reminder that the three most common underlying conditions for people under 70 who die from COVID are all related to obesity.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSch...00412555124737

That is not going to be good for a Nation that 40% of the population is obese and 10% extremely obese.

And no amount of masks, shutdowns or school closures are changing that.

 

[BassAle]

I don't think the false positive rate of PCR tests is nearly as big of a problem as you want us to believe

my company has run thousands of PCR tests on asymptomatic people as part of the process to clear them to return to the office (I've been tested three times, and I don't even go to the office anymore but I am now cleared to do so if I needed to for some reason). There have been zero false positives.

 

[rufus]

Gee 'whalers', why then when referencing something that Jeb posted, about that Americans are either obese, or clinically obese, I ask "so whalers, which one are you?"

and Jeb replies, while quoting my post addressing you? Do most other people jump in responding to a post directed towards another?

I mean, c'mon whalers, err, I mean Jeb, there's your basic run of the mill stupid, and then there's you, taking stupid to an entirely new level.

 

[Jeb2020]

I don't think the false positive rate of PCR tests is nearly as big of a problem as you want us to believe

my company has run thousands of PCR tests on asymptomatic people as part of the process to clear them to return to the office (I've been tested three times, and I don't even go to the office anymore but I am now cleared to do so if I needed to for some reason). There have been zero false positives.

False positives, what it is actually testing for, sensitivity of test and labs doing massive testing are all issues.

That doesn’t even get into the issues with the data.

 

[rufus]

Oh, Jesus Christ, now you're posting to yourself.

I thought you were gonna go out and enjoy some nice sunshine. Guess trolling on the internet wins out after all


How pathetic must ones life be to create multiple identities on an internet message board, just to chat with one another?

I guess when you have no other friends........

 

[Jeb2020]

Gee 'whalers', why then when referencing something that Jeb posted, about that Americans are either obese, or clinically obese, I ask "so whalers, which one are you?"

and Jeb replies, while quoting my post addressing you? Do most other people jump in responding to a post directed towards another?

I mean, c'mon whalers, err, I mean Jeb, there's your basic run of the mill stupid, and then there's you, taking stupid to an entirely new level.

Because you have been calling me Whalers since I started posting here?

and it was a response to my post. Lol.

Rufus you might be one of the more special ones here. Giving Handyman a run for his money.

Are you going to start wearing a mask in your home when your Keepers tell you do? That’s a serious question.

 

[BassAle]

False positives, what it is actually testing for, sensitivity of test and labs doing massive testing are all issues.

That doesn’t even get into the issues with the data.

I work at a biomedical research lab that is voluntarily running 20,000 Covid-19 PCR tests per day. We tested all 2,000 of our own employees multiple times and got zero false positives. False positives can happen, but the rate should be quite low. Thanks for the lecture though.

 

[Kepler]

I don't think the false positive rate of PCR tests is nearly as big of a problem as you want us to believe

my company has run thousands of PCR tests on asymptomatic people as part of the process to clear them to return to the office (I've been tested three times, and I don't even go to the office anymore but I am now cleared to do so if I needed to for some reason). There have been zero false positives.

Huh. That seems... bad. I would think a test threshold is a tradeoff between false positives and false negatives (alpha and beta error) and that you would want to really concentrate on reducing false negatives, which result in sick people spreading contagion, even at the cost of increasing false positives, which are inconvenient and maybe generate more costs for unnecessary follow-on treatment.

A test with no false negatives sounds to me like it is calibrated wrong.

 

[BassAle]

Are you going to start wearing a mask in your home when your Keepers tell you do? That’s a serious question.

I might if I worked outside the home somewhere with a widespread outbreak to minimize the chance that I get infected and then pass it on to other household members. Especially if I had an elderly parent living with me, or some other high risk person in the household.

 

[alfablue]

I don't think the false positive rate of PCR tests is nearly as big of a problem as you want us to believe

my company has run thousands of PCR tests on asymptomatic people as part of the process to clear them to return to the office (I've been tested three times, and I don't even go to the office anymore but I am now cleared to do so if I needed to for some reason). There have been zero false positives.

There's a lot of secondary data that supports the growth of cases, as I listed before, hospitalizations are up, ICU availability is very down, deaths are going up, etc. The sum of all the data points to increasing cases and increased harm to people. And this is data from a state that has openly stated that they will be altering the numbers- so if the official trends show that, there's not much one can do to debate it.

 

[French Rage]

i might if i worked outside the home somewhere with a widespread outbreak to minimize the chance that i get infected and then pass it on to other household members. Especially if i had an elderly parent living with me, or some other high risk person in the household.

stop liiviung in feear!

 

[alfablue]

Michigan now requiring masks at all indoor public spaces as well as crowded outdoor spaces. And requires businesses to refuse entry to those not wearing masks.

So along with the not at all controversial shirts and shoes required, we now have masks. Big f-ing deal.

How ANYONE can complain about the mask because of whatever is moronic when looked at the whole impact. Besides, companies are private- if they want to kick you out because you wear a red hat, they can.

It's pretty funny how childish people can be when they double down on stupid. Masks work. done.

 

[Kepler]

stop liiviung in feear!

Can't understand you. Take your mask off.

 

[alfablue]

stop liiviung in feear!

especially if you are living with someone at risk- since it's clearly their fault they are at risk. gotta open up!

(I've grown tired if hearing the excuse of "pre-existing conditions" BS. As if that's some kind of excuse that makes it ok that a preventable death happens. IIRC, many accused the Jews of deserving and accepting what the Nazis did to them... It's amazing how similar things sound now.